This was evil - Doctors Orders PvP

Zalasta

The opponent that I foolishly selected, thinking I would wipe out May early first due to low health, that instead wiped me out in two turns.

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I went after May first, but she was protected by Leapfrog on Doom and went invisible. The other supports gave them 12 green at the start of the battle, which with May’s boost, allowed their much higher level Crystal to wipe my team in two turns. I actually sought this team out for a second battle to better understand the mechanics. It was another two round loss.

I’m hoping this doesn’t become a trend. I don’t even have the leapfrog support, but I’ll be avoiding teams that use it with May in the future.

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concillado

High lvl boosted Crystal is generally tough, but yes the supports allow for further "metafication"!

bluewolf

I think I tried hitting that same team and was like “how did I lose so quickly?”.

It sucked but it was just one match and I skipped them afterwards.

Yay, supports.

entrailbucket

I think it's against the forum rules to post player names, you might want to anonymize that screenshot.

Supports in PvP are dumb.

BriMan2222

I fought the same team, different player, and barely won. Almost got wiped out by crystals green but my team was still alive and I managed to get my 1a5 BW blue stun off and then 4a5 Blade green aoe to wipe out may and doom. After that I could chase blue to keep crystal locked down.

Godzillafan67

I just encountered the same team different player. I didn't engage for fear that my life force would evaporate alongside my team.

dianetics

When a single support is stronger than your team you know things are broken.

edit** Leapfrog is going to be the default support for the third in pick 2's

Pantera236

@dianetics said:
When a single support is stronger than your team you know things are broken.

edit** Leapfrog is going to be the default support for the third in pick 2's

Frog is definitely a good support but this team is hard because of the 12 green they get, cheap green power, being boosted by 4* ironMay.

entrailbucket

Yeah, it's funny -- when Gambit showed up, Bishop, Chasm, etc, some of us started to raise the alarm on these guys, and the answer is usually "well, if you don't like it, just skip those teams!"

Which works great, until everyone figures out that a particular team is so obnoxious that it's basically a free shield. When that happens, players pour resources into those characters, and the metagame becomes "oops, all troll teams!"

High level players are the early warning system for this stuff.

dianetics

@Pantera236 said:

@dianetics said:
When a single support is stronger than your team you know things are broken.

edit** Leapfrog is going to be the default support for the third in pick 2's

Frog is definitely a good support but this team is hard because of the 12 green they get, cheap green power, being boosted by 4* ironMay.

If Frog wasn't there this team would be matched down fast as hell leaving Crystal alone. I love Crystal but she is a sustain support, and with no boosts she is wet paper towel.

As it stands, I think a 3/5 Leap is probably the most valuable support in PvP followed by Fantasticar.

BriMan2222

@dianetics said:
When a single support is stronger than your team you know things are broken.

edit** Leapfrog is going to be the default support for the third in pick 2's

Yeah, and I just now realized that with supports active in pvp my days of just using the loaner in introducing events to save on health pack use are over. If I want that leap frog on the required character it needs to be my copy of the character.

entrailbucket

@dianetics said:

@Pantera236 said:

@dianetics said:
When a single support is stronger than your team you know things are broken.

edit** Leapfrog is going to be the default support for the third in pick 2's

Frog is definitely a good support but this team is hard because of the 12 green they get, cheap green power, being boosted by 4* ironMay.

If Frog wasn't there this team would be matched down fast as hell leaving Crystal alone. I love Crystal but she is a sustain support, and with no boosts she is wet paper towel.

As it stands, I think a 3/5 Leap is probably the most valuable support in PvP followed by Fantasticar.

And it's great for folks to say "just skip every team that's using Leapfrog," and that's maybe a viable strategy now, but hey look, there's a Leapfrog vault available right now! How much longer do you think you'll be able to find any fights where the opponent isn't running it?

dianetics

@entrailbucket said:
And it's great for folks to say "just skip every team that's using Leapfrog," and that's maybe a viable strategy now, but hey look, there's a Leapfrog vault available right now! How much longer do you think you'll be able to find any fights where the opponent isn't running it?

100%

I didn't even have leap before yesterday, i pulled the 2 and have it at 3 already.
Stick that on the required, and you just ruin PvP because matches take forever.

entrailbucket

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
And it's great for folks to say "just skip every team that's using Leapfrog," and that's maybe a viable strategy now, but hey look, there's a Leapfrog vault available right now! How much longer do you think you'll be able to find any fights where the opponent isn't running it?

100%

I didn't even have leap before yesterday, i pulled the 2 and have it at 3 already.
Stick that on the required, and you just ruin PvP because matches take forever.

Exactly. For people who are seeing more diversity in PvP right now, the reason you're seeing that is because the MPQ hive mind hasn't yet figured out what the best teams are in a post-support metagame. That's happening now.

Give it a few months, and everyone will know what the top players are doing, and will have poured their resources into those strategies. This is how it always works in MPQ.

BriMan2222

@entrailbucket said:

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
And it's great for folks to say "just skip every team that's using Leapfrog," and that's maybe a viable strategy now, but hey look, there's a Leapfrog vault available right now! How much longer do you think you'll be able to find any fights where the opponent isn't running it?

100%

I didn't even have leap before yesterday, i pulled the 2 and have it at 3 already.
Stick that on the required, and you just ruin PvP because matches take forever.

Exactly. For people who are seeing more diversity in PvP right now, the reason you're seeing that is because the MPQ hive mind hasn't yet figured out what the best teams are in a post-support metagame. That's happening now.

Give it a few months, and everyone will know what the top players are doing, and will have poured their resources into those strategies. This is how it always works in MPQ.

And after everyone has chased the most over powered support(s) and everyone has spent all of their resources on it, they will nerf it a year or so after it was painfully obvious that it needed to be nerfed.

entrailbucket

@BriMan2222 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
And it's great for folks to say "just skip every team that's using Leapfrog," and that's maybe a viable strategy now, but hey look, there's a Leapfrog vault available right now! How much longer do you think you'll be able to find any fights where the opponent isn't running it?

100%

I didn't even have leap before yesterday, i pulled the 2 and have it at 3 already.
Stick that on the required, and you just ruin PvP because matches take forever.

Exactly. For people who are seeing more diversity in PvP right now, the reason you're seeing that is because the MPQ hive mind hasn't yet figured out what the best teams are in a post-support metagame. That's happening now.

Give it a few months, and everyone will know what the top players are doing, and will have poured their resources into those strategies. This is how it always works in MPQ.

And after everyone has chased the most over powered support(s) and everyone has spent all of their resources on it, they will nerf it a year or so after it was painfully obvious that it needed to be nerfed.

It's the same pattern every single time.

WhiteBomber

This feels more like a perfect storm than 1 OP thing. A dirt cheap team AOE on a color that has multiple supports that start with that color, then boosted to the heavens with a crazy (temp) "god boost" and May. Leapfrog itself doesn't sound like it's really the problem, rather a combination of everything.

Before we go getting all defensive, I am simply looking for strategy:

What happens if Darkveil is there with 3 team up when that AOE hits, do the 2 in the back still take the damage? If not, you could probably shut down that combo.

Can MThor Riri infini-stun from the beginning?

If Chasm stuns them at start, does Leapfrog still trigger when you hit May?

entrailbucket

@WhiteBomber said:
This feels more like a perfect storm than 1 OP thing. A dirt cheap team AOE on a color that has multiple supports that start with that color, then boosted to the heavens with a crazy (temp) "god boost" and May. Leapfrog itself doesn't sound like it's really the problem, rather a combination of everything.

Before we go getting all defensive, I am simply looking for strategy:

What happens if Darkveil is there with 3 team up when that AOE hits, do the 2 in the back still take the damage? If not, you could probably shut down that combo.

Can MThor Riri infini-stun from the beginning?

If Chasm stuns them at start, does Leapfrog still trigger when you hit May?

Again, "just run an infinite stunlock team in every fight," while certainly a solution, is not something we should have to do to play the game.

WhiteBomber

Just the response I was expecting...

I asked multiple questions, not just a comment stating "stun lock them and that's all you need". From a differing perspective, this combination of event's isn't nearly as bad as "1 character dominates everything and needs to be nerfed". I am simply looking for solutions to 1 set of event's that caught people off guard, that way, if you reeeally wanted to beat that team, you could, otherwise, skip away and continue to complain in the forums.

LennoxHC

I've faced this team with Darkveil. If you have the teamup AP, the character in front gets whisked away, but the back 2 get hit with the AOE.

ETA: Trying to send folks away with Kang - Darkveil doesn't do damage so it actually avoids a lot of the Leapfrog shenanigans. But it has no defense against Crystal's green AOE and the green AP at start. That combo plus the boosting from Aunt May is what will make me skip the team, not the Leapfrog support.

entrailbucket

@WhiteBomber said:
Just the response I was expecting...

I asked multiple questions, not just a comment stating "stun lock them and that's all you need". From a differing perspective, this combination of event's isn't nearly as bad as "1 character dominates everything and needs to be nerfed". I am simply looking for solutions to 1 set of event's that caught people off guard, that way, if you reeeally wanted to beat that team, you could, otherwise, skip away and continue to complain in the forums.

Well, eventually everyone will have to figure out how to win fights against teams like that, because that's all you're going to see -- skipping won't be possible.

It was the same with Gambit, with Bishop, and with Chasm, and I heard exactly the same things from their defenders, right up until those teams became 100% of everyone's queues. Then, mysteriously, everyone changed their minds.