Ghen, Arcanum Weaver Knight tokens not stacking [To be Fixed]

Tunist
Tunist Posts: 23 Just Dropped In

Ghen creates a white vigilant knight token when you cast it and again the first time you match an enchantment you control. These seem like they should be the same token type and stack however they do not stack with each other. Additional casts or enchantment matches will stack with tokens created from the same trigger but it seems that the tokens should stack together and not force you to use 2 of the 3 creature slots on the board for knight tokens.

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  • Magic:PQ Support Team
    Magic:PQ Support Team ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 3,488 Chairperson of the Boards

    Looks like the last ability is creating the wrong token.
    I've already let the team know. Thanks for the report!

    Lu

  • Tunist
    Tunist Posts: 23 Just Dropped In

    That's great news that a fix is in progress though could I ask you please double check your testing results.

    In my testing it suggests that the knight token created when the support is initially cast is the knight token that does not stack with the other knight producers.

    The one listed last (When an enchantment support is matched for the first time each turn create a white vigilant knight token) stacks with all the other knight support producing cards in standard including Knightly valor a card from origins set that is perpetually in standard.

    In my experience tokens of the same type with the same characteristics should all stack across multiple cards that produce them.

    Other knight token producing cards in standard that I have tested all stack with the knight tokens

    I have tested with the following other knight token producing cards in standard:
    Knightly Valor
    Ardenvale Fealty (the spell side of Virtue of Loyalty)
    Hopeful Vigil

    All this to suggest that it is instead the first knight producing ability on Ghen that is producing the wrong token.

  • Tonedeafgeoff
    Tonedeafgeoff Posts: 7 Just Dropped In

    Has this been fixed yet?

  • TheHunter
    TheHunter Posts: 332 Mover and Shaker

    Hi Lu and @Magic:PQ Support Team a 2025 update - this is still a complete mess!

    Three cards from Wilds of Eldraine all claim to make a White Vigilant Knight token:

    Ardenvale Fealty (the spell side of Virtue of Loyalty)
    Hopeful Vigil
    Ghen, Arcanum Weaver

    Here's what actually happens:

    Ardenvale Fealty - makes a standard 2/2 Knight token
    Hopeful Vigil - makes a standard 2/2 Knight token
    Ghen Arcanum Weaver - makes a standard 2/2 Knight token, with the same artwork, except it's called White Vigilant Knight and occupies a different creature slot.

    Here it is all is in action - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPG-u8XReLY&t=10s

    My suggested fix would be - change all three to say Knight token, and fix Ghen, Arcanum Weaver so it makes the standard Knight token in line with the other WoE cards.