Is it just me, or does new storm terrify you?

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I regularly get my **** handed to me by modern storm as it is... I can't imagine a level 141 version.

Unknown

The only thing scary about Mod Storm is her red. Because I like to fight on Jungle/Desert enviros boards constantly. It's very hard to deny the AI 5 AP of anything. (If her 3* red stays at 9AP it will hardly even be a factor.)



That being said, I've fought lvl 200+ Modern Storm plenty of times in PvE and it's not very hard.

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It just seems to me that anytime I fight her, she gets her green and red before I get anything, and then the cascades, more casts, black, the other characters then have their abilities...

The only way I can consistently beat her without requiring healthpacks after the fight, is by boosting blue, using cstorm and trying to windstorm before she gets anything.

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Assuming Mistress stays at 9 red, going from 2 match 3 to 3 match 3 is a very long time in MPQ. She's still quite powerful but that seems to be reasonably priced overall.

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

scottee

Phantron wrote:

Assuming Mistress stays at 9 red, going from 2 match 3 to 3 match 3 is a very long time in MPQ. She's still quite powerful but that seems to be reasonably priced overall.

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the enviro change come next week before mohawk's released.

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Phantron wrote:

Assuming Mistress stays at 9 red, going from 2 match 3 to 3 match 3 is a very long time in MPQ. She's still quite powerful but that seems to be reasonably priced overall.

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

1* Storm and OBW is really dangerous to any developing team, weakening her red helps a little but not a lot. One cascade or a bad board is going to make lazystorm OBW scarier than most 3* teams

Spoit

scottee wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Assuming Mistress stays at 9 red, going from 2 match 3 to 3 match 3 is a very long time in MPQ. She's still quite powerful but that seems to be reasonably priced overall.

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the enviro change come next week before mohawk's released.

Nah, it'll come the last day of her tournament, after some people already shielded up at 1100, but before the people who don't want to use 24 hour shields would be using them

OnesOwnGrief

I'm on the fence until I see if she got the Steve Rogers treatment or not. It may be an entirely different ballgame then.

Unknown

Phantron wrote:

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

I still find it baffling that someone at the beginning of the design process thought, "Yep, Forest/Desert and Latveria are balanced."

Spoit

BelligerentGnu wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

I still find it baffling that someone at the beginning of the design process thought, "Yep, Forest/Desert and Latveria are balanced."

It's worse. Desert was added in later. (as was the winter one). At least they realized that latveria sucked, and hid it for a long time

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BelligerentGnu wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

I still find it baffling that someone at the beginning of the design process thought, "Yep, Forest/Desert and Latveria are balanced."

3 strength 3 strike tiles or 6 green tiles added to the board? Sounds pretty fair to me!

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BelligerentGnu wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

I still find it baffling that someone at the beginning of the design process thought, "Yep, Forest/Desert and Latveria are balanced."

I dont feel desert or forest are broken at all. Broken would imply something that doesnt work and these seem to work great. If any of them are broken it is Latveria and City which are not worth using once you get past low level 1* stages of the game.

Unless of course 'broken' is some new fangled slang like 'sick' which actually means good LOL

Okay i am half joking, i do understand what is meant by this but I really dont get the usage of the word 'broken' in these contexts and it always slightly frustrates me when I see it

Phaserhawk

I can all but tell you what you see is what you are gonna get. D3 has stated before that they no longer like AP reductions as upgrade costs. IW was the last in that department. And if you noticed they haven't don't anything with AP reduction since her. The only way the do AP redcution now is through the skill itself, like Psylocke or HT's red. There are 2 unwritten rules D3 has now with characters if not more. 1, nothing below 5AP, and 2, cover upgrades won't reduce AP costs anymore, with IW being the last of that.

So yes, Mistress of the Elements is gonna be 9AP, and that's fair. The sole reason is going to be forest and probably desert a little bi. If MotE was 5, you could cast it, in theory gather enough forest tiles to get all the AP back, cast lightning strike to blow up enough tiles, to have enough forests, to cast MotE again and so on and so forth. At least at 9AP it stops that endless cycle. So for the increased cost you are at least going to get some decent damage for blowing them up, plus you are gonna get cascades.

I'm planning on going 5/3/5, mayble 5/4/4. But I want my Storm to be able to counter Sentry and nothing will do that better than 5/3/5

Phaserhawk

I can all but tell you what you see is what you are gonna get. D3 has stated before that they no longer like AP reductions as upgrade costs. IW was the last in that department. And if you noticed they haven't don't anything with AP reduction since her. The only way the do AP redcution now is through the skill itself, like Psylocke or HT's red. There are 2 unwritten rules D3 has now with characters if not more. 1, nothing below 5AP, and 2, cover upgrades won't reduce AP costs anymore, with IW being the last of that.

So yes, Mistress of the Elements is gonna be 9AP, and that's fair. The sole reason is going to be forest and probably desert a little bi. If MotE was 5, you could cast it, in theory gather enough forest tiles to get all the AP back, cast lightning strike to blow up enough tiles, to have enough forests, to cast MotE again and so on and so forth. At least at 9AP it stops that endless cycle. So for the increased cost you are at least going to get some decent damage for blowing them up, plus you are gonna get cascades.

I'm planning on going 5/3/5, mayble 5/4/4. But I want my Storm to be able to counter Sentry and nothing will do that better than 5/3/5

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The PACman wrote:

BelligerentGnu wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Now, Storm on Desert/Forest is still likely to lead to a 'first use of Mistress ends the game' but it's fairly well known that these environments have absolutely broken powers and D3 did said they're planning to change them eventually.

I still find it baffling that someone at the beginning of the design process thought, "Yep, Forest/Desert and Latveria are balanced."

I dont feel desert or forest are broken at all. Broken would imply something that doesnt work and these seem to work great. If any of them are broken it is Latveria and City which are not worth using once you get past low level 1* stages of the game.

Unless of course 'broken' is some new fangled slang like 'sick' which actually means good LOL

Okay i am half joking, i do understand what is meant by this but I really dont get the usage of the word 'broken' in these contexts and it always slightly frustrates me when I see it

Broken is a gaming term used in the context of balance. It means too good. Originated in MTG I believe

Unknown

Broken means just that, broken. If you used Magnetic FIeld and it instantly kills the other team, that'd be considered broken. If it instantly killed your own team, that'd also be considered broken. Something can be too good or too weak to be broken, but generally most people don't care about the too weak kind. If Magnetic Field instant killed your own team, you'd just stop using Magneto and cut your losses.

Spoit

Phantron wrote:

Broken means just that, broken. If you used Magnetic FIeld and it instantly kills the other team, that'd be considered broken. If it instantly killed your own team, that'd also be considered broken. Something can be too good or too weak to be broken, but generally most people don't care about the too weak kind. If Magnetic Field instant killed your own team, you'd just stop using Magneto and cut your losses.

Nah, he'd still be useful for tanking like that

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Spoit wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Broken means just that, broken. If you used Magnetic FIeld and it instantly kills the other team, that'd be considered broken. If it instantly killed your own team, that'd also be considered broken. Something can be too good or too weak to be broken, but generally most people don't care about the too weak kind. If Magnetic Field instant killed your own team, you'd just stop using Magneto and cut your losses.

Nah, he'd still be useful for tanking like that

I can certainly see posts like "people abusing Magneto to instantly lose the game with max boosts and then end up with only 1* opponents!"

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Phantron wrote:

Broken means just that, broken. If you used Magnetic FIeld and it instantly kills the other team, that'd be considered broken. If it instantly killed your own team, that'd also be considered broken. Something can be too good or too weak to be broken, but generally most people don't care about the too weak kind. If Magnetic Field instant killed your own team, you'd just stop using Magneto and cut your losses.

Hey phantron, yeah I knew what i meant, like I said i was half joking. I am probably too old school cause i just dont like using a word that means something doesnt work in relation to something that works in my favour But thats just me.

I am looking forward to getting Mohawk Storm if i can place high enough, or maybe they will surprise us again like they did with Sentry and give her away as a reward, fingers crossed for that cause i am gonna have problems playing enough to hit top 200!