am i doing champions 2.0 wrong

slidecage
slidecage Posts: 3,450 Chairperson of the Boards
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i just keep adding people i mean i got like 5 2 level capt america should i have more then 2 of each>

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  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,236 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2023

    Yes and No.

    Long term, if you want to ascend your 2* Cap to 5* you'll need to roster 8 in total by the time you do the final ascension from 4* to 5*.

    But in the short term, you don't need 5. You only need 2. One max champed to ascend and one baby champ to ascend with in order to get a 2->3 Cap. At that point you can level that 2->3 Cap all the way to 266 (max champed 3*). Then you need to roster 2 more 2 * Caps and you repeat the process (1 max champed 2 *, one baby champed 2 * and then ascend to 3 *). At that point you'll have a max champed 2->3 and a baby champ 2->3 and you can ascend that max champed to a 2->4. Then you level the 2->4 all the way to 370.

    Then repeat the above paragraph until you get a baby 2->4 at which time you can ascend the max champed 2->4 to 5*.

    KGB

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,275 Chairperson of the Boards

    You are doing far better than I am. However...I may soon be able to ascend 2* Captain America! The only problem is I can't work out why I would need to when 3* Captain America is exactly the same.

  • meadowsweet
    meadowsweet Posts: 257 Mover and Shaker

    @slidecage if you want to get a 2★ character to Level 550 as quickly as possible, always have the highest-level character using the fewest covers possible, and consume as few roster spots as possible at any given time, here's the order to do it:

    1) Roster the character for the first time, fully cover them (13 covers), champ, upgrade to level 144 (50 more covers, Max Champ.) 63 covers this step, 1 roster spot needed.
    2) Re-roster a second character, fully cover them (13), Bind to the 144 Max Champ from step #1 to make a 3★ Level 166, upgrade to level 266 (200 covers.) 213 covers this step, 276 covers total so far, 1-2 roster spots needed.
    3) Roster a third character, get them to level 144. 63 covers this step, 339 total, 2 roster spots used.
    4) Roster a fourth character, fully cover them, Bind to #3 to make a 3★ at 166, Bind again to the 3★ at level 266 from #2 to make a 4★ level 270, then upgrade them to level 370. 313 covers this step, 652 total, 1-3 roster spots needed.
    5) Step #1 above again. 63 covers this step, 715 total, 2 roster spots needed.
    6) Step #2 above again. 213 covers this step, 928 total, 2-3 roster spots needed.
    7) Step #3 above again. 63 covers this step, 991 total, 3 roster spots needed.
    8) Roster your eighth and final character and fully cover them. Bind to #7 to make a 3★, Bind that to #6 to make a 4★, Bind that to #4 to make a 5★ at level 450, then upgrade them to level 550. 413 covers this step, 1,404 covers total. 4 roster spots needed at the peak but quickly reduces back down to 1 roster spot as soon as you get fully covered at 13 and Bind back down to a single 5★ character.

    So it will take 1,404 total covers to get the 2★ from level 15 to level 550, but you'll have increasingly powerful versions of them available to you along the way:

    Covers Tier Level Progress
    1 2★ 15 0.07%
    13 2★ 94 0.93%
    63 2★ 144 4.49%
    76 3★ 166 5.41%
    276 3★ 266 19.66%
    352 4★ 270 25.07%
    652 4★ 370 46.44%
    1,004 5★ 450 71.51%
    1,404 5★ 550 100.00%
  • Waddles_Pines
    Waddles_Pines Posts: 1,228 Chairperson of the Boards

    @meadowsweet said:
    @slidecage if you want to get a 2★ character to Level 550 as quickly as possible, always have the highest-level character using the fewest covers possible, and consume as few roster spots as possible at any given time, here's the order to do it:

    1) Roster the character for the first time, fully cover them (13 covers), champ, upgrade to level 144 (50 more covers, Max Champ.) 63 covers this step, 1 roster spot needed.
    2) Re-roster a second character, fully cover them (13), Bind to the 144 Max Champ from step #1 to make a 3★ Level 166, upgrade to level 266 (200 covers.) 213 covers this step, 276 covers total so far, 1-2 roster spots needed.
    3) Roster a third character, get them to level 144. 63 covers this step, 339 total, 2 roster spots used.
    4) Roster a fourth character, fully cover them, Bind to #3 to make a 3★ at 166, Bind again to the 3★ at level 266 from #2 to make a 4★ level 270, then upgrade them to level 370. 313 covers this step, 652 total, 1-3 roster spots needed.
    5) Step #1 above again. 63 covers this step, 715 total, 2 roster spots needed.
    6) Step #2 above again. 213 covers this step, 928 total, 2-3 roster spots needed.
    7) Step #3 above again. 63 covers this step, 991 total, 3 roster spots needed.
    8) Roster your eighth and final character and fully cover them. Bind to #7 to make a 3★, Bind that to #6 to make a 4★, Bind that to #4 to make a 5★ at level 450, then upgrade them to level 550. 413 covers this step, 1,404 covers total. 4 roster spots needed at the peak but quickly reduces back down to 1 roster spot as soon as you get fully covered at 13 and Bind back down to a single 5★ character.

    So it will take 1,404 total covers to get the 2★ from level 15 to level 550, but you'll have increasingly powerful versions of them available to you along the way:

    Covers Tier Level Progress
    1 2★ 15 0.07%
    13 2★ 94 0.93%
    63 2★ 144 4.49%
    76 3★ 166 5.41%
    276 3★ 266 19.66%
    352 4★ 270 25.07%
    652 4★ 370 46.44%
    1,004 5★ 450 71.51%
    1,404 5★ 550 100.00%

    @meadowsweet
    In step two where who roster and get a dupe to 13 covers. Do you have to have to put iso in to get them to lvl94? Do you have to promote them? Thanks.

  • Jimsta_rooney
    Jimsta_rooney Posts: 167 Tile Toppler

    If you arent ascending your characters with max champed characters,then yes you are doing it wrong

  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Waddles_Pines
    You don’t need to pay any ISO to add levels to ascended characters

  • Punter1
    Punter1 Posts: 729 Critical Contributor

    You do need to spend ISO to get characters to their natural max-level for ascension. IE for 2-stars you'll eventually need to have 8 copies to level 94, though only 4 need to be champed and max leveled to 144 with covers.

    From the announcement: To Ascend a character, you must combine a max level Championed character with a max level non-Championed duplicate

    Once ascended, no further ISO needed on that copy, just lots and lots of covers!

  • Alfje17
    Alfje17 Posts: 3,812 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:
    You are doing far better than I am. However...I may soon be able to ascend 2* Captain America! The only problem is I can't work out why I would need to when 3* Captain America is exactly the same.

    That's the question I ask myself as well: ascending a 1* seems a no-brainer, but is it worth it to ascend anybody else?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    Eventually, YEARS down the line, you'll have a 5* to play in all the 3* events that we keep having.
    That, and 4* rewards are much better than 3* rewards.

  • Kolence
    Kolence Posts: 969 Critical Contributor
    edited October 2023

    @meadowsweet said:
    @slidecage if you want to get a 2★ character to Level 550 as quickly as possible, always have the highest-level character using the fewest covers possible, and consume as few roster spots as possible at any given time, here's the order to do it:

    1) Roster the character for the first time, fully cover them (13 covers), champ, upgrade to level 144 (50 more covers, Max Champ.) 63 covers this step, 1 roster spot needed.
    2) Re-roster a second character, fully cover them (13), Bind to the 144 Max Champ from step #1 to make a 3★ Level 166, upgrade to level 266 (200 covers.) 213 covers this step, 276 covers total so far, 1-2 roster spots needed.
    3) Roster a third character, get them to level 144. 63 covers this step, 339 total, 2 roster spots used.
    4) Roster a fourth character, fully cover them, Bind to #3 to make a 3★ at 166, Bind again to the 3★ at level 266 from #2 to make a 4★ level 270, then upgrade them to level 370. 313 covers this step, 652 total, 1-3 roster spots needed.
    5) Step #1 above again. 63 covers this step, 715 total, 2 roster spots needed.
    6) Step #2 above again. 213 covers this step, 928 total, 2-3 roster spots needed.
    7) Step #3 above again. 63 covers this step, 991 total, 3 roster spots needed.
    8) Roster your eighth and final character and fully cover them. Bind to #7 to make a 3★, Bind that to #6 to make a 4★, Bind that to #4 to make a 5★ at level 450, then upgrade them to level 550. 413 covers this step, 1,404 covers total. 4 roster spots needed at the peak but quickly reduces back down to 1 roster spot as soon as you get fully covered at 13 and Bind back down to a single 5★ character.

    So it will take 1,404 total covers to get the 2★ from level 15 to level 550, but you'll have increasingly powerful versions of them available to you along the way:

    Covers Tier Level Progress
    1 2★ 15 0.07%
    13 2★ 94 0.93%
    63 2★ 144 4.49%
    76 3★ 166 5.41%
    276 3★ 266 19.66%
    352 4★ 270 25.07%
    652 4★ 370 46.44%
    1,004 5★ 450 71.51%
    1,404 5★ 550 100.00%

    Just to add that at steps 2) , and 3) and 4) , you can keep the same number of slots used and end up with the same number of covers spent but collect an extra set of (full) champion rewards every 4 2-stars. So the first couple of 2's both go to 144 and their merged 3-star goes to 266 (but from 191) it ends up the same amount of covers. The second couple of 2's are done as steps 1) and 2) though, as you need a 166 3-star in order to spend as few covers as possible further on, and not park that higher tier copy on an extra roster slot for so long.
    P. S.
    But really, no reason not to add 2 extra (or 3 extra at 4-star tier) covers and get another Latest token, every time. :)

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,820 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Alfje17 said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    You are doing far better than I am. However...I may soon be able to ascend 2* Captain America! The only problem is I can't work out why I would need to when 3* Captain America is exactly the same.

    That's the question I ask myself as well: ascending a 1* seems a no-brainer, but is it worth it to ascend anybody else?

    These characters get a LOT better when you ascend them -- more health, and much higher match and power damage. I can't speak to the cost-benefit if your only concern is rewards. If you're concerned with having more viable, fun options to play with, it's a no-brainer to ascend everyone as high as possible.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,275 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Alfje17 said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    You are doing far better than I am. However...I may soon be able to ascend 2* Captain America! The only problem is I can't work out why I would need to when 3* Captain America is exactly the same.

    That's the question I ask myself as well: ascending a 1* seems a no-brainer, but is it worth it to ascend anybody else?

    These characters get a LOT better when you ascend them -- more health, and much higher match and power damage. I can't speak to the cost-benefit if your only concern is rewards. If you're concerned with having more viable, fun options to play with, it's a no-brainer to ascend everyone as high as possible.

    In this particular case though doesn't it make more sense to ascend 3* Cap instead?

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,364 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Alfje17 said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    You are doing far better than I am. However...I may soon be able to ascend 2* Captain America! The only problem is I can't work out why I would need to when 3* Captain America is exactly the same.

    That's the question I ask myself as well: ascending a 1* seems a no-brainer, but is it worth it to ascend anybody else?

    These characters get a LOT better when you ascend them -- more health, and much higher match and power damage. I can't speak to the cost-benefit if your only concern is rewards. If you're concerned with having more viable, fun options to play with, it's a no-brainer to ascend everyone as high as possible.

    In this particular case though doesn't it make more sense to ascend 3* Cap instead?

    You can do both?

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,275 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Alfje17 said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    You are doing far better than I am. However...I may soon be able to ascend 2* Captain America! The only problem is I can't work out why I would need to when 3* Captain America is exactly the same.

    That's the question I ask myself as well: ascending a 1* seems a no-brainer, but is it worth it to ascend anybody else?

    These characters get a LOT better when you ascend them -- more health, and much higher match and power damage. I can't speak to the cost-benefit if your only concern is rewards. If you're concerned with having more viable, fun options to play with, it's a no-brainer to ascend everyone as high as possible.

    In this particular case though doesn't it make more sense to ascend 3* Cap instead?

    You can do both?

    True, I just don't see the point with 2* **** I mean Cap, lol!

  • hothie
    hothie Posts: 210 Tile Toppler

    One thing that gets overlooked is that collecting 1400 covers of a single character is going to take a long time. This isn't merely a "Oh, just do this and this, and BAM, 5*" You're talking many months to get to this spot, if you're starting from scratch.

    I'm currently 20M iso negative, which is going to take probably a year at least to pay down. So for now I think I'm only going to focus on ascending 1 stars, learn the process, and level up more of my 4 and 5*s. Once I get more of my 4s and 5s in better shape, then I'll look at ascending 2s and 3s.
    I mean, if I was only going to focus on ascending characters now, I put all of the rest of my roster progress on hold, because I don't have dupes of any of them. So it would take a lot of resources to get the ascension farm going starting from scratch, resources that I would rather devote to my 4s and 5s for now. But in a year, I'll revisit the ascension track and focus on it then.

  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,580 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Jimsta_rooney said:
    If you arent ascending your characters with max champed characters,then yes you are doing it wrong

    While true if you go strictly by rewards, that downplays the benefits of making the ascended character more useful far earlier by quite a lot too.

  • Painmonger
    Painmonger Posts: 167 Tile Toppler

    @DAZ0273 said:
    You are doing far better than I am. However...I may soon be able to ascend 2* Captain America! The only problem is I can't work out why I would need to when 3* Captain America is exactly the same.

    What's worse is that they aren't exactly the same. Native 3* Cap's blue also makes a protect tile when the CD goes off. I have the 2* ascended but about 50 levels behind the native 3* & the red damage is vastly different. 2* ascended is at a little over 1400 damage, while native 3* is around 4200. Something tells me another 50 levels isn't going to triple the damage! His match damage is a little higher, but otherwise you're only ever going to ascend the 2* Cap for rewards.

  • SuperCarrot
    SuperCarrot Posts: 184 Tile Toppler

    I am curious if hoarding is as viable a strategy anymore because of ascending 4 stars. Any thoughts?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,820 Chairperson of the Boards

    @SuperCarrot said:
    I am curious if hoarding is as viable a strategy anymore because of ascending 4 stars. Any thoughts?

    Not the answer you're looking for, but the correct answer is "it depends."

    What were you hoarding and why?

  • SuperCarrot
    SuperCarrot Posts: 184 Tile Toppler

    @entrailbucket said:

    @SuperCarrot said:
    I am curious if hoarding is as viable a strategy anymore because of ascending 4 stars. Any thoughts?

    Not the answer you're looking for, but the correct answer is "it depends."

    What were you hoarding and why?

    I always keep enough LLs and Points to stay on the keep champing as the LLs come out train.

    My question is more, with the possible strength of some ascended 4 stars is it actually worth it to worry about the Latest Legends or work on ascending 4 stars? I understand if a strong 5 star toon comes out you want that and want to champ it. I guess it is more of a question of power for the ascended 4 stars and if hoarding LL pulls and CP might be a hinderance if those four star toons are really strong ascended. I hope that makes sense.

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