Damage multiplier

Melovingu1

Fo4 A long time now Okoye wazz the #1 in damage buff with her TU. Now Emma iz here with her red damage buff.
Who is the better battery?

Omegased

a battery usually refers to someone who earns passive AP (Vulture, Iron Man, Deathlok, etc).

as for damage multipliers - Emma is good as they can boost boosted characters well since it's always a 70% increase.

but then, her damage doesn't scale the higher level she goes.

so.... both are good?

Eagledave

Scarlet Witch purple to go with Shang Chi is my go to, bit route 1 but works

ThaRoadWarrior

This has always been a bit hard to quantify I think. Okoye will have a higher ceiling than Apocalypse, but it'll take you longer to achieve it, whereas Apocalypse can get a fixed boost amount down relatively early in a match, which can do more effective damage faster for instance. I think it really depends on your relative character levels and what kind of damage you're trying to boost.

those two characters don't add a %, so they get better with levels on them and don't require the initial damage slug to be big. Scarlet Witch and Emma do % increase, so they are going to do more for a character that is already hitting really hard. 200% of 600 being way different that 200% of 20,000 for instance, vs adding 1500 pts for every team up you have in the bank to whatever power damage is happening.

Melovingu1

Wat the goal iz. To cut 3-4min off my Pve. On a bad day l run about 30-33min. On a good or average day, l run 25-28min. The 1st part of my team iz Okoye/IHulk/5Thanos. Okoye iz @510 - Emma iz @454. Do I keep on the road to 550 with Okoye with TU or swift to Emma with her red. I want the most damage per/turn so Thanos can kill the rest. Whether it's Okoye & IHulk or Emma & lHulk?

ThaRoadWarrior

For me that depends on if you're married to iHulk more, or Thano5 more. If you want to go Emma/Apocalypse/Thano5 then apocalypse isn't going to get stunned by Court Death and his yellow will boost it. If you prefer iHulk you might ditch Thano5 and run Okoye AND Emma surrounding him since the % boost stacks with the discreet damage boosts I believe. Probably need to test it.

Tiger_Wong

It may be time to add High Evolutionary to the list of damage boosters.

Melovingu1

@ThaRoadWarrior
Ok running Okoye/Emma/lHulk.
Emma has a 70% (ability damage)+ 2%per red. Levels adds no help to her 70%
Okoye base team-up match damage is increased by 90%. Levels do add to her match damage.
Where do l go frm here 👈👆👉👇

dianetics

Use both at the same time? Do you need Thanos with Okoye that high? I mean he doesn't do a lot of work for the higher CL10 nodes and the weak nodes your iHulk should be wrecking them.
Have you tried running them with Adam Warlock?
You are not going to reduce your time by swapping Okoye and Emma, but you can pair them.

ThaRoadWarrior

So I’ve confirmed that those two boost types stack - the gimmick with Emma is that her % is calculated against the base damage rather than the boosted damage. So this team may not be as fast as replacing Emma with somebody else. Alternatively you could run one of the thors as a battery to power both and lean on his green AOE? My characters aren’t at the levels you’re working with, so I don’t really know what base damagers you have at your disposal.

Vhailorx

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
So I’ve confirmed that those two boost types stack - the gimmick with Emma is that her % is calculated against the base damage rather than the boosted damage. So this team may not be as fast as replacing Emma with somebody else. Alternatively you could run one of the thors as a battery to power both and lean on his green AOE? My characters aren’t at the levels you’re working with, so I don’t really know what base damagers you have at your disposal.

I typically use something like hulk + okoye + a good single target proc engine like gorr. That way I can still do decent damage when hulk stalls out. It's definitely not the fastest okoye team ever, but it is nice and mindless if I want to grind out some non-optimal pve clears while doing something else. I wonder if Emma would be faster for this. I will have to do some testing.

Also, on the original topic: damage boosting has been the end game pve meta for 5+ years now (and only lost the pvp crown with the current chasm/hulk meta that everyone seems to hate. There are 3 main categories of boosters: (i) special tiles boosters (think kitty), (ii) ability damage boosters (with emma-style % and okoye-style fixed-number sub-families); and (iii) match damage boosters (e.gx Shang Chi).

Currently the first family is at a bit of a nadir as they are just too slow, but the other two types of boosting are fairly evenly matched in utility. SC scales the best and is ideal for the very hardest pve content, but there are still plenty of scenarios where ability damage boosters are effectively optimal for daily play.

ThaRoadWarrior

The % style boost is ineffectual for the typical damage trigger AOE or multi hit powers like hulks or Iceman’s because they are usually very low starting values. They really shine on large damage actives.

Melovingu1

@ThaRoadWarrior > The plan wazz getting Okoye to 520 swap here out 4/5Thanos. Get his Court Death above 20K. This iz 4/Pve H1-H3 nodes. Lookin @ the damage my Hulkoye on the 1st turn with 2 TU. I knock down 1 the AOE lowers their health below 17K Thanos C/D kills the rest. My 5Thanos Lvl 475 bumping him up to 500 will be the goal.

entrailbucket

If your Okoye is that big, you should try switching out 5* Thanos for the 3* version (seriously).

5* Thanos stuns Okoye, so she doesn't apply her boost to Court Death. 3* Thanos doesn't stun her, so her boost stacks on his Court Death. If your Okoye is really high level (or if she's boosted that week), this is one of the faster teams you can run.

ThaRoadWarrior

that was why I added Apocalypse/Emma to the discussion, since Apoc + a Mutant is stun immune and so he can boost the 5* court death. not sure emma's boost is worth it as a % though.

entrailbucket

In this particular situation I probably wouldn't...this player's got Okoye at a crazy high level, so unless he also has Apocalypse and/or Emma at similar, it won't be better.

OP, I think Thanos is the one you want to replace. Using the 3* version is likely going to speed you up, but if you can find another passive (or cheap) AoE for that slot, it'll be even faster.

ThaRoadWarrior

Ghostpool is one that I sometimes run with okoye/hulk. It's not quite as much incidental damage as Spider-Man 2099, but he has 5* health and a black outlet. his passive damage isn't quite as reliable as SM2099, but it's a "similar" option at the 5* tier.