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Juggerlo wrote:

ihearthawthats wrote:

Time zones are an important issue.

Time zones aren't important at all. I'm EST and all of my tourney end at midnight. If I can't/won't stay up... that is supposed to be someone else's fault?

Here's the thing man, you stay up till midnight to the end of your tourney. For our brothers & sisters in Europe, that's ~5:00AM.

To simulate what this experience is like, for the next couple weeks, go ahead and stay up until 5:00AM every single time there's a tournament. See how long it takes for that to get old for you. I know you think you "have it rough" (or whatever) staying up till midnight to play, but other people have it worse. And I say that as a US-based player who frequently stays up past midnight playing this crazy game

I honestly don't see how European players can possibly place in tourneys with any consistency and I strongly support Euro time zone tourneys for them.

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Juggerlo wrote:

Not at all. As I've said previously, I'm tired of hearing about how people didn't spec their cover right (their fault) and they want the Devs to fix it.

I agree that respecs could be useful, but the implementation would have to be flawless. My biggest hurdle with it is that it allows people who screwed their covers to then be on par with me when I did it right and have no need to respec. It offers an easy fix (depending upon the cost) for people to overcome their own lack of planning. It seems unfair to the players that did it right.

As for the major update overhaul on power allocation, yeah... I would LOVE to have the chance to respec my IM mk35!!!

It's not really their fault if the game doesn't make it obvious that you cannot train all powers on a 3 power character to 5... and there were several weeks in there (after the change to 13 total and before the update displaying a max power above the training screen) where it was REALLY obscure to anyone who doesn't read these forums (99% of the players). Before the leveling change you could intuit that you weren't going to be able to train all 3 powers to 20 -- you got one level per power and 20+20+20 > 50. After the change it wasn't at all obvious, and the small tip that warned you about it only had a chance to display if you lost...

I haven't screwed up any of my covers yet, but I don't mind there being a respec option -- either kindly (allow you to raise all to 5, but you have to adjust one down before a match) or not so kindly (remove covers, lose levels, ISO, and HP invested). I'd favor a middle option, and there have been several good ones proposed in the Suggestions forum.

As for time zones -- I'm EST/EDT as well; I always stay up until midnight unless I'm really exhausted or sick anyway (and I've been out of college for nearly half my life now). But that doesn't mean it's unreasonable to ask for end times that are more reasonable for people in Europe or Asia or whatever. And I think IceIX's latest post on the matter clarifies a lot of the issues involved in this -- it may be coming, but it's not trivial.

I think that, more than anything, people (myself included) need to learn to have some patience with respect to changes. No matter how much you want a change doesn't affect that it takes weeks to go from planning -> dev -> qa -> live.

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ihearthawthats wrote:

You say that timezones are unimportant and you are EST?

Yeah, that's pretty much it. In the grand scheme of things, it doens't make a lot of sense to break it down into timezones. It is a slipery-slope issue.

Look, if they make it zone-specific - then what happenes to the people who work second shift (ex. 2pm - 10pm) and the tourney ends at 10pm? Should they create a seperate bracket within each timezone for them?

I have thought about it a lot. I have stayed up much later than I should and felt like **** the next day to end out a tourney, but that was my choice. I think the only solution is to NOT make it based upon time at all. They should have it based upon total number of fights and make it time limited.

Since match-ups are based on previous performace, you "should" be facing teams at your level. You're given 100, 200, whatever # of rounds possible. If you fight (win or lose) you're -1 round. If you SKIP because you don't think you can beat them, -1 round. All rounds have to be used by XX # of hours or they are lost.

Sure, that model has its flaws too... but it is similar to the Heroic Event. You get as much out as you put in, but it still functions as a PvP/E model.

Like I said, it is just an idea. I'm not looking for nuanced critiques of it. I'm not a Dev, so I don't need to work out the mechanics like that.

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Iheart is right, I live in England. Getting up at 4am for the last hour of tournaments has become a regular part of my schedule, but man do I hate it. I hate my own obsession to get new covers and prizes! I don't hate the devs for it though, the way I see it there must be a much bigger player base in the US than Europe. So, whilst id like some regular tournaments with Eurocentric finish times, I just get on with it in the mean time

The one that annoys me is the constant character nerf demands. The lightning tournaments were OTT this week, but Rags is a 3* character. To me, he's powered accordingly. Don't expect anyone to agree, just my opinion.

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The Ladder wrote:

The one that annoys me is the constant character nerf demands. The lightning tournaments were OTT this week, but Rags is a 3* character. To me, he's powered accordingly. Don't expect anyone to agree, just my opinion.

Well too damn bad, because I do agree. So there.

Buffing just put him over the top. But the buffing is a different issue. And he's probably one of the most common high level 3*'s that people run into, so that's why he gets a lot of hate. Wait until people start running into high level Dooms doing 1000 dmg/turn with demons, or 3* Mags doing 3-6000 damage with a single use of his Purple skill. Or even high level IM40s with the huge HP and game ending blue skill (ditto BW and her green).

There are certainly some sucky 3*'s (Loki, maybe The Hood), but there are sucky 2* (Bag-Man) and 1* (Yelena) covers too. Heck the only 4* we have so far is sucky.

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The Ladder wrote:

Iheart is right, I live in England. Getting up at 4am for the last hour of tournaments has become a regular part of my schedule, but man do I hate it. I hate my own obsession to get new covers and prizes! I don't hate the devs for it though, the way I see it there must be a much bigger player base in the US than Europe. So, whilst id like some regular tournaments with Eurocentric finish times, I just get on with it in the mean time

I know that IceIX has said about the backend equipment that is needed for parallel events, and it sounds like that may be way too far in the future.

My only thought comes from my own coding background and may not even be applicable to this game because of its design. If they created the same tourney 3 times and had them run for varying lengths of time (96 hours, 88 hours, 80 hours) and you were allowed to pick which one that you entered. It would then lock you out of the other two.

So everyone in each tourney gets the same play time (96,88,80) which makes it fair. It would allow you to take the middle option (-8) and instead of it ending at 5am it would be 9pm the night before. The only thing would be that the progression rewards would need to be dialed back for the -8,-16 brackets to make them as equally attainable.

Thoughts? I literally just came up with it.

The Ladder wrote:

The one that annoys me is the constant character nerf demands. The lightning tournaments were OTT this week, but Rags is a 3* character. To me, he's powered accordingly. Don't expect anyone to agree, just my opinion.

Oh - this guy agrees with you. And I don't even have a Rag ATM.

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Juggerlo wrote:

The Ladder wrote:

Iheart is right, I live in England. Getting up at 4am for the last hour of tournaments has become a regular part of my schedule, but man do I hate it. I hate my own obsession to get new covers and prizes! I don't hate the devs for it though, the way I see it there must be a much bigger player base in the US than Europe. So, whilst id like some regular tournaments with Eurocentric finish times, I just get on with it in the mean time

I know that IceIX has said about the backend equipment that is needed for parallel events, and it sounds like that may be way too far in the future.

My only thought comes from my own coding background and may not even be applicable to this game because of its design. If they created the same tourney 3 times and had them run for varying lengths of time (96 hours, 88 hours, 80 hours) and you were allowed to pick which one that you entered. It would then lock you out of the other two.

So everyone in each tourney gets the same play time (96,88,80) which makes it fair. It would allow you to take the middle option (-8) and instead of it ending at 5am it would be 9pm the night before. The only thing would be that the progression rewards would need to be dialed back for the -8,-16 brackets to make them as equally attainable.

Thoughts? I literally just came up with it.

The Ladder wrote:

The one that annoys me is the constant character nerf demands. The lightning tournaments were OTT this week, but Rags is a 3* character. To me, he's powered accordingly. Don't expect anyone to agree, just my opinion.

Oh - this guy agrees with you. And I don't even have a Rag ATM.

I'm a UK player and 5am is a killer! Just end all tournaments worldwide at 8pm yank time then its 1am for us. Far more reasonable - everyone can get an early night and the kids will stop whining from being too tired!

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HulkSmash wrote:

I'm a UK player and 5am is a killer! Just end all tournaments worldwide at 8pm yank time then its 1am for us. Far more reasonable - everyone can get an early night and the kids will stop whining from being too tired!

If it's 1am for you, it's 8pm for est, but 5pm for pst, leaving people at work during the big push. Whining will not end.

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Yea, even 8pm EST isnt that great for east coast people because people have families/responsibilites they have to tend to at that time.

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Aluminium_Man wrote:

HulkSmash wrote:

I'm a UK player and 5am is a killer! Just end all tournaments worldwide at 8pm yank time then its 1am for us. Far more reasonable - everyone can get an early night and the kids will stop whining from being too tired!

If it's 1am for you, it's 8pm for est, but 5pm for pst, leaving people at work during the big push. Whining will not end.

Obviously the best solution is to have the tournament end without warning!

Actually, I kind of love that. It could tell you there's "less than one day left" and let the chips fall where they may.

Not applicable to lightning rounds, of course.

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Although I like the idea of tourneys ending at a local time, if the time is still tied in to someone's iPhone clock, I think it can be abused. Another option is to just have different tournaments end at different times. One day it ends midnight EST. another day midnight UK time. Etc. People still get the countdown.

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DayvBang wrote:

Obviously the best solution is to have the tournament end without warning!

Actually, I kind of love that. It could tell you there's "less than one day left" and let the chips fall where they may.

Not applicable to lightning rounds, of course.

I actually really like this idea it solves multiple problems.

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I must admit, I LOL'd for real when I read the original post. I agree with it all of it, well said.

P.S. I think Rags is a time consuming pain but easily handled.

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While I agree with most of the points you've put up there, the tone is pretty offensive.

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junshengkeh wrote:

While I agree with most of the points you've put up there, the tone is pretty offensive.

Well, nobody has EVER accused me of being subtle my entire life. I have never understood the need for political correctness. If you feel a certain way, say it.

For example: If Person A doesn't like Person B, they should say that. How devistating is it for Person A to just "act friendly" and Person B has no clue and then Person B finds out weeks, months, years later that Person A can't stand them?

It takes too much effort if you ask me. Pull the dang bandaid off and don't draw it out.

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U wouldn't do well in any middle eastern country that's for sure lol.

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Juggerlo wrote:

I have never understood the need for political correctness.

"Political correctness" is just another term for "not being a jerk to people"...

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Juggerlo wrote:

It takes too much effort if you ask me. Pull the dang bandaid off and don't draw it out.

But there's a difference between quickly pulling off a bandaid carefully and pressing your thumb into the wound for better leverage. You can push someone away or you can shove them away. Either way they go away, but it matters how you do it. I don't know you, and I'm not making judgements on your character. I'm just responding to that philosophy. I haven't been offended by anything you've said, although I might not have been the target either.

IceIX

A little late to the discussion here, but just pointing out that this topic in particular is likely to be vitriolic. I don't really see anything here that hasn't been worked out by yourselves without my stepping in, but keep that in mind. Overall, this community has been amazing, with a few (also mostly noted and worked out here) issues. Great job, guys and gals.

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Juggerlo wrote:

If you feel a certain way, say it.

For example: If Person A doesn't like Person B, they should say that.

No. Don't be nasty. This is something that should never need to be explained to anyone over the age of about 4.