What is the most productive 5* champ level?

dramatist

I don’t think I’ve seen this discussion here before. 

I’m a free to play veteran player with 44 5* champions with my highest being a 469 Okoye. I have the meta 5*s champed and while I eventually want to champ all my 5*s I’m in no rush to champ an unchamped  non-meta by making them a sharget. For example after PvP placement rewards this morning BSSM had enough shards that I could make him 4,4,4. He will be champed sometime in the future and I’ll use him when he’s essential.

I generally play enough that I can just champ a 5* before they leave Latests although I sometimes have bad luck pulling some 5*s and they leave Latests close but not champed. If this happens to a meta 5* I don’t mind sharding them until I can champ them. I recently did this for Scarlet Witch. 

Certain 5* champ levels can be precious to me and I have to sharget a 5*. What I’m curious to see discussed is which 5*. 

My Okoye is my highest 5* because I had her shargeted most of last year because at the time an extra level on Okoye was probably better than champ level on any other 5*. 

At the time I used Okoye more than any other 5* except maybe Thor but extra levels for Thor are not very important. Now I don’t use Okoye nearly as much.

Right now I have Colossus (now 455) as my sharget because I became wowed by him when boosted and thought I’d love for him to be even more powerful. But I think that I might get a better return on my champ level investment on Apocalypse or maybe Beta Ray Bill or Kitty or perhaps another 5* I’m not thinking of that pairs well with boosted 5*s. 

Which 5* is your sharget and why?

Which 5* champ level do you think makes the greatest possible impact on playing more effectively?

helix72

Great topic. First I’d say it depends on if you play PvE, PvP, or both. I play both, so here’s my current strategy:

Okoye is my #1 target, not just because she gets better, but because it’s so important to have her tank so she needs to be levels above everyone else to maintain her value.

Apoc is my #2 target. He’s such a great character and the extra health and damage help speed things up. I love that every extra level increases both his defense (health and the shields he puts out) and his offense, both his direct attacks and his damage boost.

Based on my usage of each, I’m putting 7 levels on Okoye for every 3 I put on Apoc, alternating them back and forth.

As the PvP meta has shifted, I have been thinking about starting to level up Wanda or Colossus, but haven’t switched yet.

I generally don’t shard any other 5*, even ones I don’t have champed. An extra level in an Okoye or Apoc I use every day is worth more to me than a cover on a 5* I’ll only use when boosted that I’ll eventually get from a 4* feeder anyway. The exception is if I have a 5* that only needs 24 or less shards to get to 500 shards, I’ll switch until I get to 500 then switch back.

Another consideration: it doesn’t happen often, but when you sharget a character for any reason remember you could get the 500 shard bonus for that character, and would you see that as a good thing?

dramatist

I’m actually fairly sure I got the 500 shard bonus for Colossus a couple of days ago. I’ve been pulling 5 Classics every time I get 100 cp for a couple of months. I draw tokens too fast to see if I got bonus shards but I suddenly had enough shards for a champ level when I know I wasn’t close. 

I play more PvE than PvP. I have always done full progression in CL10 since it started. I normally get top 100. I really don’t enjoy PvP but I’ve usually been playing to the 10 cp progression since boosted 5*s have become a thing. 

I used to use Thorkoye for almost everything in PvE and Hulkoye in PvP.

In PvE now I may use a boosted 5* (usually with 1/2 Thor in a pick two or Thor and Apocalypse. In a pick three I’ll usually now use Kitty, Polaris and R&G. 

Jimsta_rooney

I have gone for colossus too, have been able to beat most boosted 5 star teams with colossus and witch so the higher they go the easier it will get for me. 

ThaRoadWarrior

I’m trying to maintain a flat-ish MMR, so I’m just targeting whichever character I have that’s next closest to 13 covers. Currently I’m working on Goblin directly, and Daredevil via Kingpin. Star Lord is my next one at 12 covers, then maybe Banner at 11. 

dramatist

For the most part my older 5*s that are yet to be champed are a who’s who of meh. 

Rescue 
Wasp
Loki
Black Bolt
Kingpin
Havoc
Black Suit Spider Man
Gambit
Banner Hulk

I see a way to champ status for all eventually except Havoc who has no feeder. I’m just in no mood to rush any of those. 

Sekilicious

I’m a 4* player working to develop a strategy to do SCL10 in a reasonable amount of time. There are a few characters that work as a single champ or an undercovered 5* but Kitty still seems to be the best, especially for PvE, so she is my current sharget.  I did switch to BRB for a while to get winfinite shenanigans as an option. He is currently 2/2/3 but have left him at lvl290 to maintain my current MMR.

dramatist

I’m finding that Colossus works very well with boosted Knull in the America Chavez PvP. 

entrailbucket

If you're asking "which 5* should be at the highest level on my roster?" and your goal is to win stuff/play fast/be as optimal as possible, the answer is either Okoye or Apocalypse, and there is no third choice.

Because they boost other characters' powers, if you have them at a very high level, they effectively make every other character on your roster that level.

There's some controversy about which one is better...to me it's Apocalypse, hands down.  Okoye's boost can get bigger than his boost, but the difference is often overkill. 

The major difference is that Apocalypse has two different nukes that he also boosts, while Okoye has infinite health and never needs a healthpack.  A lot of people care way too much about healthpack use, so Okoye is more popular.

ThaRoadWarrior

dramatist said:

For the most part my older 5*s that are yet to be champed are a who’s who of meh. 

Rescue 
Wasp
Loki
Black Bolt
Kingpin
Havoc
Black Suit Spider Man
Gambit
Banner Hulk

I see a way to champ status for all eventually except Havoc who has no feeder. I’m just in no mood to rush any of those. 

My unchamped 5s are the B and C squad also, but I’d like to champ everyone before I start trying to push anybody up super high. I’ve still got;
daredevil
star lord
black panther
archangel
fa cap
Jean grey
Surfer
banner hulk
widow
Doc oc
black suit
parker spider man
Goblin
iron man
wasp

not including electro, Odin, and Shang-chi of course. So nobody unfed, and all ranging from 6-12 covers.

dramatist

entrailbucket said:

If you're asking "which 5* should be at the highest level on my roster?" and your goal is to win stuff/play fast/be as optimal as possible, the answer is either Okoye or Apocalypse, and there is no third choice.

Because they boost other characters' powers, if you have them at a very high level, they effectively make every other character on your roster that level.

There's some controversy about which one is better...to me it's Apocalypse, hands down.  Okoye's boost can get bigger than his boost, but the difference is often overkill. 

The major difference is that Apocalypse has two different nukes that he also boosts, while Okoye has infinite health and never needs a healthpack.  A lot of people care way too much about healthpack use, so Okoye is more popular.

I pretty much agree with everything you said here. 

I recently passed a milestone quest that gave me 700 5* shards. I used the shards to add two champ levels to Apocalypse, from 457 to 459. It seems to me to have made a noticeable difference in his power. I feel he is faster with 1/2 Thor than Okoye.

acescracked

dramatist said:

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Which 5* champ level do you think makes the greatest possible impact on playing more effectively?

Champ level 550

Srheer0

entrailbucket said:

If you're asking "which 5* should be at the highest level on my roster?" and your goal is to win stuff/play fast/be as optimal as possible, the answer is either Okoye or Apocalypse, and there is no third choice.

Because they boost other characters' powers, if you have them at a very high level, they effectively make every other character on your roster that level.

There's some controversy about which one is better...to me it's Apocalypse, hands down.  Okoye's boost can get bigger than his boost, but the difference is often overkill. 

The major difference is that Apocalypse has two different nukes that he also boosts, while Okoye has infinite health and never needs a healthpack.  A lot of people care way too much about healthpack use, so Okoye is more popular.

Is wanda not a good third?  Spend 3 pink ap to change tup tiles into a colour of your choice at start of each turn. And any AP increases powers ability by a % amount. Might not be as crazy as the flat increases that okoye tup saving or apoc yellow repeaters give. But surely it is decent?

entrailbucket

I want to make it very clear that I'm talking about the optimizer meta here -- these are players looking to be as fast and efficient as possible, who've done all the math and meticulously allocated their resources to play this way. This meta involves passive, self-fed, or very cheap multi-hit or AOE powers that can double or triple dip on the boosts.

The percentage-based boost is just way too "fair" compared to flat increases, and it doesn't scale up with her level like the other two do.

SW at 550 can boost up to 150%. 

Okoye at 550 can boost up to 2856 * 30 = 85,680. 

Apocalypse at 550 is a flat boost of 18,996.

Apply the various boosts to something like a lvl450 iHulk passive that does 5000 damage, and you'll see why SW loses out.  


These kinds of players do use SW, but not for her power boost.  They use her because she does guaranteed passive damage every turn that takes advantage of the other boosters.  Okoye players would ignore her purple power completely or cast it on yellow to feed Okoye's yellow.  I imagine Apocalypse players would use it to feed him red for his nuke.

dianetics

I only have a few champed5*s, but I do find it odd that killmonger hasn’t been mentioned.
when he was boosted it was a literal bloodbath.
it was the highest defensive win share I ever had. Half of my defenses were wins.
Obviously he is not a top tier character, but when he was boosted he was a monster.

killahKlown

550 is most productive