VIP CHANGES

Endbringer

If a player has all legacy cards, remove all legacy offers and legacy rewards from their account/profile and replace them with standard and VIP rewards. This way nothing is just an "absolute waste" being played and payed for, for no reason. This would make VIP truly worth it in my opinion. I don't just mean eliminate all legacy offers and rewards either, I mean replace them. For instance, week 4 rewards I will recieve a legacy nondupe pack and a legacy single card mythic nondupe pack. I don't need those whatsoever, nor do I need any mana orbs. Anyone who has all legacy cards is likely in the same boat with me on this. If this game continues to forevermore offer legacy rewards to people who don't need them, gradually more and more people will feel the way I do about this when they don't need them either, and the only outcome is more and more people feeling done wrong, and like half of the time they do things is a complete waste of time other than a "little bit" of resources. Next is a matter of doing something about the nondupe packs that aren't allowed to be carried over to the next set, that all turn out to be VIP payed for duplicates that enter the void. I have all standard and will complete Zendicar Rising in a few weeks (because I spent $300 when it dropped) but will end up collecting 2 months of what should be nondupe packs, that will all just turn out to be duplicate packs that turn into mana orbs I don't need by the time the next set drops. If somehow these duplicate VIP packs could be exchanged for currency that could be used to purchase pws, alternative art, deck slots, or vanguards, than things would all fall into place to make subscribers feel like they're getting what they're paying for and that vip is an actual good thing overall. A new currency that can't be used to get packs from the next set, so  you guys can still get paid and have people drop money upon a set release. This would allow people to get the vanguards and deck slots and pws without feeling like their wallets will have to break.

In conclusion, all legacy packs and supposed nondupe packs, that will turn out to be duplicates because a person has all legacy or standard cards from packs, will become a new currency only usable for vanguards, pws, deck slots, and alternative art. Even the single packs offered from events; if a player has completed the set, they get the new currency instead.

Tremayne

@Endbringer - 1. Please, for the love of god, do not ask, suggest or wish for more currencies in this app.
2. I have stopped my subscription, mainly due to what you wrote.
3. My plan is to play with all my current unplayed cards and my goto cards.
4. When the next standard rotation comes around, then I’ll start up my subscription again in order to fill my library with new cards.
5. If enough players does the same, I guess Oktagon will implement some worthwhile changes.

Endbringer

No Tremayne. A lot of people are sick of paying for duplicates and participating in events just for duplicates just to get orbs they don't need. For people that close out their legacy and standard collections including the newest set, there needs to be something to gain and should be a more convenient way to collect the other things in this game because most people never buy all of those deck slots for 150 crystals or those alternative art cards knowing they'll get the original versions in a few weeks, since they want their crystals for the next set. A new currency will allow players to get something useful from all of their duplicates, while not shutting out the need to spend on crystals upon the next set, so the game can still make it's money but not break the bank of customers trying to get vanguards and alternative art cards and the extra deck slots and pws. Really it evens and smoothes things out. There are now legacy vanguards I will probably never go for because I'm forced to save my crystals and jewels for newer content. This idea presents a way to still go after them but doesn't take away from the money earned for the game developers. It just gets the people what they deserve instead of a ton of worthless duplicates.

Tremayne

@Endbringer - based upon this and other post you have made on these forums, it seems to me that you are starved of content and now you are suggesting this out of desperation. 

It almost seems like you are hoping, that you can find happiness again playing MTGPQ, if the devs will just give you a little morsel, but remember they are still the ones that starved you (into submission).

So I do not think that another currency is the way to go for you to get your missing content, because it will be a huge pain for everyone. My suggestion above was a way to show you a different way. A way where the fun of MTGPQ comes from optimising your play with what you have gotten instead of striving for having everything.

Bil

This game's History tells us that any New currency ... They end starving us with ... 

Endbringer

Tremayne said:

@Endbringer - based upon this and other post you have made on these forums, it seems to me that you are starved of content and now you are suggesting this out of desperation. 

It almost seems like you are hoping, that you can find happiness again playing MTGPQ, if the devs will just give you a little morsel, but remember they are still the ones that starved you (into submission).

So I do not think that another currency is the way to go for you to get your missing content, because it will be a huge pain for everyone. My suggestion above was a way to show you a different way. A way where the fun of MTGPQ comes from optimising your play with what you have gotten instead of striving for having everything.

I have 4337 cards. Far from starved. One thing I do have is about 5 thousand dollars invested in this game over the last 3 years, as well as a girlfriend who has the same amount invested. Once you've spent money like that on a game, you tend to figure out every area and route the game takes to try and get you to constantly pay and never reach a full collection. You're saying you like paying for duplicates and currency you'll never use? It looks like you're not really interested in new cards  and you don't want anybody else to get them. You just want to play with the cards you already have. I can assure you many people are always looking for new options to explore to make their decks better but you think people should be oppressed and pay for stuff they already have. You sound like a mole in the forums.

Tremayne

@Endbringer - I’m impressed how much you missed the point I was making. I think that I should refrain from answering any of your posts from now on.

And just to set the record straight, nothing I wrote earlier is remotely close to what you tried to assign to me above.

ambrosio191

We do not need another currency. There are already 4, with one being largely useless to anyone who has played more than a year. We already have a currency that can't be used on the current pack, that gives a non-dupe from a pack largely of you choice, and that currency is orbs. You can't get more useful than a non-dupe card. The only thing you can't get with orbs are vanguards, and that is a choice by the developers to make them more rare overall. The solution to vanguards is to make them craftable or fully non-dupe from elite packs, not creating a special currency just for them. If you don't need orbs than you have a complete or near complete collection, how is another currency going to solve that? It honestly sounds like you need to spend less on this game. You are creating a solution to a problem that can be solved by not spending so much money.

The devs absolutely should offer a different VIP for those of us with complete or near complete legacy collections. It has to be structured and priced differently as legacy cards are just not worth as much as standard and cannot be interchanged. 

Gunmix25

Endbringer said:

If a player has all legacy cards, remove all legacy offers and legacy rewards from their account/profile and replace them with standard and VIP rewards. This way nothing is just an "absolute waste" being played and payed for, for no reason. This would make VIP truly worth it in my opinion. I don't just mean eliminate all legacy offers and rewards either, I mean replace them. For instance, week 4 rewards I will recieve a legacy nondupe pack and a legacy single card mythic nondupe pack. I don't need those whatsoever, nor do I need any mana orbs. Anyone who has all legacy cards is likely in the same boat with me on this. If this game continues to forevermore offer legacy rewards to people who don't need them, gradually more and more people will feel the way I do about this when they don't need them either, and the only outcome is more and more people feeling done wrong, and like half of the time they do things is a complete waste of time other than a "little bit" of resources. Next is a matter of doing something about the nondupe packs that aren't allowed to be carried over to the next set, that all turn out to be VIP payed for duplicates that enter the void. I have all standard and will complete Zendicar Rising in a few weeks (because I spent $300 when it dropped) but will end up collecting 2 months of what should be nondupe packs, that will all just turn out to be duplicate packs that turn into mana orbs I don't need by the time the next set drops. If somehow these duplicate VIP packs could be exchanged for currency that could be used to purchase pws, alternative art, deck slots, or vanguards, than things would all fall into place to make subscribers feel like they're getting what they're paying for and that vip is an actual good thing overall. A new currency that can't be used to get packs from the next set, so  you guys can still get paid and have people drop money upon a set release. This would allow people to get the vanguards and deck slots and pws without feeling like their wallets will have to break.

In conclusion, all legacy packs and supposed nondupe packs, that will turn out to be duplicates because a person has all legacy or standard cards from packs, will become a new currency only usable for vanguards, pws, deck slots, and alternative art. Even the single packs offered from events; if a player has completed the set, they get the new currency instead.

I get it. I have all the legacy cards, Have had all of them by the third month that VIP was released. After that it was a simple matter of keeping up and when you could hoard VIP packs, it made collecting new sets insanely easy... by the 2nd week I would have all of the cards barring any exclusives.
The upside was I could compete easily with each new set. the downside was there were far longer lulls between new cards and I was getting bored quickly. That and I kind of missed that alright!-hand-pump-the-air experience when finally pulling that card you were chasing. With VIP you know you will get it in a few weeks so much of the anticipation is lost and when I get that card I often go, "meh, okay.. cool." it isn't cool, but that is the price you pay for VIP. I will say in Oktagon's defense is that they addressed that lull and provided a reason to keep VIP, should you desire to... which is why we have so many exclusives. It works and I approve.

To address your concern, at some point there will be more and more players like you and I. For the Record I spent some money in the game but I surely didn't spend 5k, but then again I have been playing solidly since November 2016 so eh... I had more time to collect legacy? *shrug* Anyways, I think He-who-tries-not-to-be-banned-again-and-again-and-again (*you know who you are, XD ---knuckle bump*) has brought up a very good point long ago that essentially the game will need to start addressing the growing pool of complete collection players and give them some additional content. Be it skins, i.e.: the ability to make your deck into foils. To additional PW avatars for existing PW in our collections? I honestly have no idea how this would pan out but it would be a start. As to more currency to this game? no.. just no. That is silly and redundant. I remember many, not all, players not liking the jewels when they first came out. What we did ask for was an improvement on the existing currency and they gave us that. But we don't need anything more than the runes, jewels, orbs, and crystals.

This game can be played without cash. is it harder, yes, vastly so. But so are a great many other apps out there, so this game isn't alone in that regards. The choice to spend that kind of money in hopes of being competitive is yours and yours alone and Oktagon does not have to cater to your whims because you spent X number of dollars. What they do need to do is provide us content that plays correctly, matches that play smoothly, effects that are interesting and new, combinations that blow our minds, and some good ol' competitive fun. Like many have said here, step off VIP for awhile and play normally, when things build up to collect again, sign back up and resume. it will be better for you in terms of what you gain for the money you spend (despite that we really are renting and actually don't own anything more than some fancy organized digitized pixels that do X or Y).