Matching gems - what constitutes a match?

TremayneTremayne Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
edited 28 August 2020, 08:16 in MtGPQ General Discussion
I have just discovered that The support created by Teferi, MOT’s 3rd ability does not consider matching loyalty gems as a match.

Now, that was a surprise! Since the data push “effects may cease to trigger” so it is difficult to know when something is a new bug, an old or WAD.

Having gone through the zendesk there is nothing that clearly define this simple mechanism in MTGPQ. Therefore, shall we make a joint effort in creating a common description of what constitutes the meaning of the game term “Match”?

Below is my attempt to define it.

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  • TremayneTremayne Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 29 August 2020, 06:26
    1st version.
    Match - to line up any 3 or more gems on the gem board. Any effect that refers to a match will trigger when making (a specific coloured) match.

    2nd version.
    Match - when a player switch position of two gems on the gem board, in order to create one or more lines of at least 3 gems on the gem board. Any effect that refers to a match will trigger when making a match.
  • critmancritman Posts: 312 Mover and Shaker
    edited 28 August 2020, 14:01
    There's a related thread about this in the bug forum

    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/83329/challenge-of-the-courts-black-matches-does-not-count-investigating
    critman said:
    Let's pre-empt the old "working as intended" defence by noting that other effects in the game DO trigger when you 'match' gem by changing gem color (e.g. Landfall), so clearly CotC is not working as intended.
    Defining a match as 'to line up' isn't clear to me as to whether the player has to do it manually or if it includes lines created by gem color changes.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 197 Tile Toppler
    Hangerback Walker counts loyalty gem matching as it pertains to Thopter generating, IIRC.
  • TremayneTremayne Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    @critman - fair enough. That was my best description since English is not my primary language. The important part of defining fundamentals is to remember that this is the whole foundation which the rest of the game is founded on. So it had to be precise.

    The funny thing is that the devs are using fundamental definitions, but they haven’t written them down, (The players can’t see them anyways) which I conclude is the main reason for the huge amount of bug they produce. Not out of malice or incompetence, simply due to assuming slightly different than the next developer.
  • TremayneTremayne Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 29 August 2020, 06:26
    @TomB - Good example. Which is illustrates my point above about slightly different assumptions by each developer.

    So maybe HW is doing it correctly and Teferi, MOT is also doing it correctly, sadly due to missing terms, both effects use the same term to describe different things. No wonder the players and the devs can’t understand the correct behaviour from one card/PW to the next.
  • NyarlathotepNyarlathotep Posts: 71 Match Maker
    It's 2020 and we still don't have clear rules for this game.
    It's magic. 😁
  • TomBTomB Posts: 197 Tile Toppler
    I find the gem matching secondary on the top node of ATV to be another example of the inconsistency of swapping rules, since it seems like it only counts gems you swap directly and not the stuff that matches during cascades, or gem changing from land supports, etc.
    This is all very confusing... :/
  • TremayneTremayne Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    @TomB - yes there is something really weird going on on the top node of ATV.
  • Oktagon_SupportOktagon_Support ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 1,110 Chairperson of the Boards

    Hi everyone

    Sorry about the delay in answering this!
    I was investigating what was the case to see how to proceed.
    I will provide an explanation about "what constitutes a match" according to what happened lately that caused these misunderstandings.

    Thank you for your patience,
    Marcela.
  • TremayneTremayne Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Oktagon_Support - Where is the mentioned explanation posted? I don’t seem to recall seeing an answer to this?!?
  • Oktagon_SupportOktagon_Support ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 1,110 Chairperson of the Boards
    Hi @Tremayne ,
    We apologize for the delay in bringing this here!
    I'm working on this with one of our Game Designers and we don't want to let anything pass by unnoticed.
    Also, he's always super busy so we are trying to gather around as much as we can, but it's not always possible!

    But thank you so much for the interest, and for your patience!
    Marcela.

  • critmancritman Posts: 312 Mover and Shaker
    A suggestion: when you answer this question, maybe add it to some kind of online FAQ so that you don't have to answer it again at a later date?
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