Turn purple back on please.

jp1

Going on 40 pulls without a 5*. Something needs to be done about this considering the new economy. Havok will be the first five I probably won’t cover since 5 Kingpin just pulling as I go (and spending). If the spending doesn’t help my goal I’m not motivated to keep doing it (obviously). 

Anyway, the shortened time span, reduced resources, and no streak breaker is really screwing us five star players in my opinion. 

Anyone else feeling the strain?

bluewolf

Of course. I’ve been pretty lucky with pull rates lately, but had a bad streak not long ago when I burned way too much CP in Yaloney’s release store hoping for Okoyes.  Then Poccy came along and showed how dumb that was.   My Havok has 12 covers and 4 saved blues and I’m done pulling for his mediocre kit. There is a decent chance my iHulk won’t even get fully covered since I need 10 (plus maybe can get one from 5Es?) and he’s almost certainly leaving in 5 weeks. 

We will never get a true streak breaker for 5’s, I think. We have shards (partial covers) in PVE and PVP, shards/targeting and the occasional bonus shards. 

jp1

I guess, the thing is, I feel that it was done by design. Not the bad pull rate, but the inefficient economy. I’m having a hard time reconciling with why they want to discourage paying players from continuing as before. Perhaps they figure squeezing the mega whales will even everything out? 

Really trying to mimic the real world economy as much as possible I suppose. Make things more accessible to the rich, tax the middle (I fall somewhere near the top of this bracket in terms of MPQ spending), and screw the poor.

They have made the four star tier more accessible which is a good thing, I don’t think they had to gate off the five star tier to accomplish it though. They really need to explore more revenue options, particularly player friendly types.

Vhailorx

What you are describing is likely the intended outcome of the recent changes:

(1)  More pressure on veteran players from reduced cp/HP rewards abs a faster release rate

(2)  then offer a direct buy (fomo-fueled) outlet for that pressure via the shards store and shard/hp bundles.

(3) profit

Borstock

My 5* pull rate has been in the toilet. I assume it's just bad luck, though.

sambrookjm

Borstock said:

My 5* pull rate has been in the toilet. I assume it's just bad luck, though.

As someone who went 0/27 for *any* five star in the Yelena vault, I can sympathize.  I didn't even bother trying to pull from the Apoc vault, since I had Iceman champed and don't really care much about Star Lord.

Daredevil217

@jp1 are you playing in 10 for PVE? I am and for me it pretty much means double the time spent in game for less progress overall. It’s awful. 

jp1

Daredevil217 said:

@jp1 are you playing in 10 for PVE? I am and for me it pretty much means double the time spent in game for less progress overall. It’s awful. 

Yes, since they nerfed SCL 9 I can’t afford to play down. So! I’m loving the double time investment as well.

jp1

Another 10 pulls. What’s the record for the boards? Maybe I will break it...silver linings.

bluewolf

jp1 said:

Another 10 pulls. What’s the record for the boards? Maybe I will break it...silver linings.

I think someone went 74 or so, at least once. My worst streak is 46. 

Daredevil217

52 for me. You are three away from breaking my personal record. 

atomzed

Is the no 5* streak counted for only one store? Or across multiple stores?

Daredevil217

Mine was in Latest Legends alone during a hoard break. I had to go back to my “I’m finally a 5* player” thread to find the number. But it was indeed from a single store. 

jp1

Daredevil217 said:

52 for me. You are three away from breaking my personal record. 

Good to know I’m not alone. Figured the game might be broken, but then I have to look at all my lucky streaks and remember I am now paying for those. It’s frustrating though.

jp1

atomzed said:

Is the no 5* streak counted for only one store? Or across multiple stores?

Just LL for me.

DAZ0273

I went something like 63 I believe. That was across everything I think.

atomzed

@Daredevil217 @jp1 I remember my longest dry spell was around 40+ too. But it’s often broken up by multiple 5* in quick succession. Like say 0-47 (all 4*), 48 (5*), 49 (5*), 50 (5*). So take heart that the pulls will get better after the dry spells! (And hopefully the bunches of 5* comes during a good trio)

@DAZ0273, the 15% is “guaranteed” for infinite pulls from a single store. It doesn’t really work if you pull across multiple stores, which is why hoarders often advise to pull from one store. 

The rockett

93 pulls.....yea I was not happy. 

HoundofShadow

I remember reading feedback to implement streak breaker for CP pulls. If I did not remember wrongly, the dev replied to that post and mentioned that it will likely involve some changes like decreasing the odds. Is this something that sits well for you guys? The odds will probably look something like 1: 8 to 1:10 instead of 1:7.

My longest dry run was around 40+ pulls, but I did get a string of 5* after that.

DAZ0273

atomzed said:

@Daredevil217 @jp1 I remember my longest dry spell was around 40+ too. But it’s often broken up by multiple 5* in quick succession. Like say 0-47 (all 4*), 48 (5*), 49 (5*), 50 (5*). So take heart that the pulls will get better after the dry spells! (And hopefully the bunches of 5* comes during a good trio)

@DAZ0273, the 15% is “guaranteed” for infinite pulls from a single store. It doesn’t really work if you pull across multiple stores, which is why hoarders often advise to pull from one store. 

About 90% of the pulls was from Latest. I turned to other stores to see whether there was something wrong with my account and the duck was finally broken with an arbitrary pull from Classics. Then the tap got turned back on everywhere. It is almost like the game decided to test me and my patience, although of course that is just insane paranoia!

GrimSkald

I've kept a "Legendary Token Log" since early 2016 when someone requested the information for statistical purposes.  I track all my token pulls (though only keep an actual log for the legendary) -- it's a really handy "reality checker" -- when you feel discouraged you can always go back and see what your actual overall percentages are. With the exception of Mighty Tokens (I'm at 12.3% 4* for those at around 500 pulls,) I'm about where I should be, I'm actually slightly up on 5*s at 15.31% on Legendary Pulls.

I have to find streaks manually, but as I recall the last time I looked my worst streak was 47 pulls without a 5* and I'm pretty sure I haven't matched it since.  I've definitely had some bad runs, and no doubt the bad runs are very discouraging.  On the bright side, that 47 run was an outlier, I think the next highest was in the 30s, and there were many in the 20s.

So, I may be in the minority here but while I'm feeling a bit squeezed on HP (save when I'm breaking hoards,) my CP is coming as fast, if not faster than it was before CL10.  I'm playing CL10 for more or less progression only (I'm shooting for top 100 in PVE, which seems almost always doable by playing to "check marks," and I'm playing PVP to "where I feel like it at the time" past 1200.)   The reason for this is two fold:

- Mighty tokens - even though my 4* draw rate is poor on them, that's still a lot of 3* and 4* covers that I wouldn't otherwise be getting, and the champ rewards add up fast.  People made a big deal on the reduced CP and HP rewards, but they're in the vast minority of characters in the 4* tier.

- 4* covers come a lot faster than they used to - 3 of them from PVE progression alone (with 100 extra shards) means that they get covered and level rapidly.  Heck, my Karnak is higher level either Namor or Ronin.  The extra covers from PVP aren't bad either - basically 2.5 covers worth.

Am I spending more time on the game?  Probably -- the clears take longer (though I'm not sweating when I do them,) and I start my grind probably 15-20 minutes earlier than I did on CL9.  I do also occasionally wipe, which is bad for morale and takes a lot of time unless I pull the plug on the fight early.  But the rewards are quite a lot better.