DvK: Pick Your Side

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  • jtwood
    jtwood Posts: 1,285 Chairperson of the Boards
    Daxos, The Returned
    Firstofhisname419 said:
    The two sides are much more balanced.  Let's everyone jump on the Daxos train early, and encourage your coalitions to do the same!
    Yes! Hope this happens.
  • Firstofhisname419
    Firstofhisname419 Posts: 133 Tile Toppler
    Kalemne is leading. Again. Which is a little odd, considering his premade deck is probably the harder of the two now. I think people just assume he's going to be the winning side and pick him?
  • versemage
    versemage Posts: 128 Tile Toppler
    Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas
    Her. Kalemne is a her.
  • Barnabes
    Barnabes Posts: 76 Match Maker
    Firstofhisname419 said:
    Kalemne is leading. Again. Which is a little odd, considering his premade deck is probably the harder of the two now. I think people just assume he's going to be the winning side and pick him?
    There is no connection between the premade deck and the duel phase, since you can change your deck at will. 
    Even with the slight improvement to Daxos, he is still inferior to Kalemne in terms of abilities which is why people go mostly with Kalemne. 
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Daxos, The Returned
    Barnabes said:
    Firstofhisname419 said:
    Kalemne is leading. Again. Which is a little odd, considering his premade deck is probably the harder of the two now. I think people just assume he's going to be the winning side and pick him?

    Even with the slight improvement to Daxos, he is still inferior to Kalemne in terms of abilities. 
    Untrue, Daxos has superceded  kalemne In power and efficiency. 

    For 4 loyalty you get a creature that get buffed in base power/toughness, meaning that even if it gets killed you get the buff back with the next token.

    Building xp is much cheaper, you can play 6 mana enchantments. Compare that to the minimum of 13 mana for K. 

    All in all, D only need his first, some removal and some enchants and aura's to be good..... 


    K needs more expensive creatures and has little removal and control
  • TomB
    TomB Posts: 269 Mover and Shaker
    edited January 2021
    Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas
    I feel like Daxos would be stronger if we were allowed the whole of Standard to construct his deck with, but with the set building restrictions in place I think it's apparent Kalemne has more fans... :/
    Edit: I've been choosing Daxos since the attempt to balance the 2, though I may not bother to try again unless something changes.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Daxos, The Returned
    Even with the restrictions we can make Daxos run rings around Kalemne:

    https://youtu.be/4v_NR90FoRU


    The only mythic is black market, 
    The rest is rare or below. 


  • Narcoticsagent
    Narcoticsagent Posts: 203 Tile Toppler
    Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas
    I think daxos is the clearly stronger walker. What I think you have to consider is the MTG personalities. Spike recognizes daxos for his power but Timmy still likes dropping big beaty monsters with Kalmne. I would guess more Timmy's play the game than Spikes. 
  • Narcoticsagent
    Narcoticsagent Posts: 203 Tile Toppler
    Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas
    critman said:
    Narcoticsagent said:
    I think daxos is the clearly stronger walker. What I think you have to consider is the MTG personalities. Spike recognizes daxos for his power but Timmy still likes dropping big beaty monsters with Kalmne. I would guess more Timmy's play the game than Spikes. 
    Speaking as a Spike, if dropping big meaty monsters wins me the game quickly and easily, then I'll play like that.

    Also speaking as a Spike, though, I never pick one side or the other without seeing what everyone else is doing first. And a majority pick Kalemne, and therefore, so do I. There's been no need for me so far to play or even buy Daxos, so I honestly have no idea if he's objectively more powerful than Kalemne.
    It is very Spike like to side with the likelier winner, a good point. 
  • Stormcrow
    Stormcrow Posts: 462 Mover and Shaker

    Narcoticsagent said:
    I think daxos is the clearly stronger walker. What I think you have to consider is the MTG personalities. Spike recognizes daxos for his power but Timmy still likes dropping big beaty monsters with Kalmne. I would guess more Timmy's play the game than Spikes. 
    I still don't understand you people who seem to think that stuffing a Kalemne deck full of a bunch of big beaters and going pure aggro is literally the only way to play her. As a die-hard Johnny, I'll take Kalemne's ability to fetch a particular 14+ cost creature (typically the only one in my deck, so that I know exactly what I'm gonna fetch, every time) for 4 loyalty over everything in Daxos's entire ability set. And I don't even own some of the best options! (Brash Taunter, Militant Angel...and for that matter can we all just take a moment to be grateful Angel of Destiny isn't allowed in this event?) If I were going to make a questionnaire to try and determine peoples' MTG personality, that would be one of the questions I'd ask: do you see the restriction of Kalemne's fetch ability only fetching 14+ cost creatures as a drawback, or as a benefit?

    Plus the fact remains, that as discussed endlessly before on these forums, in a phone game that is frequently all-too-time-consuming as it is, decks that win fast are always gonna be more popular than decks that win slow, no matter how stylish and fancy your slowroll lockdown deck may be. Quick Battle may be gone, but the mindset lives on eternally.
  • Tremayne
    Tremayne Posts: 1,673 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Stormcrow - as they say: speed kills. However there is other reasons to go for fast decks. B U G S and huge cascades. 

    If I field one of my control decks (which I like designing and playing) it sure is not going to be in an event that matters. The longer the match last the higher the chance is for a bug to rear it’s only head and loose me the match or get hit by a ridiculous cascade that snowballs into an unrecoverable game state. Cheap removal is missing for so many reasons.
  • spellsmasher
    spellsmasher Posts: 55 Match Maker
    Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas
    Well hopefully next time Daxos will win, it seemed closer this time, but I still played Kalemne.  
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    If we estimate Kalemne's winning margin (1 pixel on a 1080 pixel wide screen; about 0.1% of the range) and the total number of games played (generously guessing 5,000 players with 20 duel games each), the margin works out to be somewhere around 100 games.
    How many extra people would it have taken to play for Daxos instead of Kalemne to get a different outcome this time around?  The numbers suggest something like 5.  Certainly waiting/hoping for something different to happen changes nothing.
  • Scydrex7
    Scydrex7 Posts: 53 Match Maker
    critman said:
    critman said:

    Also speaking as a Spike, though, I never pick one side or the other without seeing what everyone else is doing first. And a majority pick Kalemne, and therefore, so do I. There's been no need for me so far to play or even buy Daxos, so I honestly have no idea if he's objectively more powerful than Kalemne.
    After saying that, I forgot to join, and missed out on prizes altogether :) I guess it's another sign of how I'm disconnecting from the game.
    If you are so content to follow that path, we encourage you to continue to pursue it wholeheartedly.
  • Techg
    Techg Posts: 68 Match Maker
    Volrak said:
    If we estimate Kalemne's winning margin (1 pixel on a 1080 pixel wide screen; about 0.1% of the range) and the total number of games played (generously guessing 5,000 players with 20 duel games each), the margin works out to be somewhere around 100 games.
    How many extra people would it have taken to play for Daxos instead of Kalemne to get a different outcome this time around?  The numbers suggest something like 5.  Certainly waiting/hoping for something different to happen changes nothing.

    I think this is a perfect example of a game improvement request. Anyway we could get real numbers in the event vs a terrible slider that no one can decipher? Pretty please :smile:
  • Narcoticsagent
    Narcoticsagent Posts: 203 Tile Toppler
    Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas
    My concerns with this event are 

    1.  No transparency in how the event is scored. Do I have get secondary objectives to help my team win or do I just need to win? 

    2.  Half my opponents were playing the kalemne precon deck. A large portion of the player base doesn't seem to be aware they can change the deck. Beating Greg is as satisfying as beating some one who's had a lobotomy. Beating Greg while he wields a precon is about as satisfying as beating a lobotimized quadriplegic, winning is better than losing but its still mildly embarrassing.

    Possible solutions

    1. A dev could take 5 minutes to write a post explaining how the event is scored.

    2a. Don't use a precon in the duel section of the event, player isnt registered until they submit a deck

    2b. If a precon must be used, let the community design the best Greg pilotable decks possible and let players use those cards for the event even if they don't own them. 

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