Lock Charcters in PVP

octagon69

D3 we need more PVP where we aren't forced to use a certain character.

I would like a PVP where you lock out OBW. Force us to use someone else besides DPS, OBW and featured char.

I'm tired of constantly have three colors stolen and her AR. I'm forced to use OBW to counter her theivin.

90% of my matchs have OBW and Punisher/patch/Hulk, featured char.


Your game is getting stale.

unimatrix

They did have hollowpoint kiss pvp, where gsbw was compulsory character.. Effectively locking out obw.

Unknown

I agree with OP. and its not jsut to do with obw its the way most people play in general always using the same peeps, this would cause variety... i like variety.

Unknown

Wait till you get out of 2* land and all you see are the same max 3*'s (Thor, Hulk, Mags, Punisher). Yes, it's very stale.

Just a crazy idea - they should do some sort of rubber banding per character. Not sure how the mechanics would work, but it would basically reduce the amount of points you can win if you keep using the same team over and over. When you've won 4 or 5 matches with 1 char, that char would only contribute 1 point to your victories until he refreshes. If you rotate another char in, you could be back to getting full amounts until their 5 matches are up.

It may not work, but they need to do something to shake it up because it's become very boring. There is clearly a top tier of characters that everyone uses, and then there the guys who don't even put their jersey on underneath their warm-ups because they are never going in the game.

Unknown

Regalis wrote:

Just a crazy idea - they should do some sort of rubber banding per character. Not sure how the mechanics would work, but it would basically reduce the amount of points you can win if you keep using the same team over and over. When you've won 4 or 5 matches with 1 char, that char would only contribute 1 point to your victories until he refreshes. If you rotate another char in, you could be back to getting full amounts until their 5 matches are up.

I think it is indeed crazy. Just locking out one or a few certain characters for certain PvPs would work much better which they have already done in the past (Hollowpoint Kiss, Divine Tournament, DA Tournament. Those are what I've seen. They could even come up with more themes and ideas) and they can do that again if they wanted.

Unknown

Show D3 how much PVP sucks by not playing. If you hate it but still engage grinding on, why would it change ever?

D3 uses metrics that show attendance and attached spending -- and they use those to feed you. Talk in froum is ignored but the collected numbers are not.

rixmith

What if, in PVP, you had certain characters that were buffed based on the environment the fight occurred in? Spidey, Hood, Daredevil would be buffed in the city, Thor, Loki, Doom in the snowy Latverian terrain, BP in the jungle, Tony Stark in the Science Lab... you get the idea. Basically instead of punishing us for our choices (you can't use OBW) instead have a reward for making other choices (hey Doom is +40 levels here, I'd rather use him). Then you could think of additional environments (SHIELD Helicarrier: Flyers get a bonus, Shady Bar: Villians get a bonus...) that would encourage much more diverse play and get some of those characters off the bench.

Unknown

I agree with this completely. However, when they lock out certain characters, or limit characters in PvP, they found a lower participation than events that had the "choose your own" mentality. People enjoy playing with those that they leveled, and that cause more participation, which in turn caused a higher ARPDAU.

I loved tourneys like the DA themed one, but it ended up showing lower numbers across the board comparatively. And as a business, you go with what works the best and not only what just works.

It's ****, to say the least, but at this point I think it would take a funbalance of OBW to make her less prominent in PvP. That's my opinion, anyways.

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pasa_ wrote:

Show D3 how much PVP sucks by not playing. If you hate it but still engage grinding on, why would it change ever?

D3 uses metrics that show attendance and attached spending -- and they use those to feed you. Talk in froum is ignored but the collected numbers are not.

if people took you "if its not as good as i want quit" advice to heart the suicide rate would be 98%

Unknown

Skyedyne wrote:

I agree with this completely. However, when they lock out certain characters, or limit characters in PvP, they found a lower participation than events that had the "choose your own" mentality. People enjoy playing with those that they leveled, and that cause more participation, which in turn caused a higher ARPDAU.

I loved tourneys like the DA themed one, but it ended up showing lower numbers across the board comparatively. And as a business, you go with what works the best and not only what just works.

It's ****, to say the least, but at this point I think it would take a funbalance of OBW to make her less prominent in PvP. That's my opinion, anyways.

the problem is they don't ever just lock out a hnadfull of characters in those events, they lock out 85% of the character and if you don't have reasonable people in the 8 or 9 allowed characters suck it.

NorthernPolarity

It depends on how far you want to take this concept. Making it like the DA tournament was bad because there is no team diversity: Daken/Rags/Ares just ended up dominating that tournament. I think it would be interesting to run a couple of tournaments that specifically banned out the popular heroes like LazyThor/C. Mags/Pun etc but that concept doesn't make sense for user engagement since you would be banning everyone's favorite heroes.

Unknown

Remove her heal, and she would stop being used so much on 3*** teams. Blue is a much easier "throw away" color for a heal than yellow due to l.thor being so good and on 50-60% of teams atm. Or don't remove the heal, but just make it a self heal. Either would see her use drop considerably, as well as help balance the nerf to spidey...as atm she is better option than.him in about every way...which is kinda sad.

Or how about, she keeps the heal, but her blue can.only be activated if there is an enemy countdown tile on the board. It's a little nausiating to see ppl with multiple maxed 3*** using her on a regular basis. Extra sad when one of thier maxed is spidey.

I don't like the idea of locking characters though. Slippery slope AMD more importantly, unfair to some players. The inky lockout should be via another form of.that character being used imo.

Heaka75

rixmith wrote:

What if, in PVP, you had certain characters that were buffed based on the environment the fight occurred in? Spidey, Hood, Daredevil would be buffed in the city, Thor, Loki, Doom in the snowy Latverian terrain, BP in the jungle, Tony Stark in the Science Lab... you get the idea. Basically instead of punishing us for our choices (you can't use OBW) instead have a reward for making other choices (hey Doom is +40 levels here, I'd rather use him). Then you could think of additional environments (SHIELD Helicarrier: Flyers get a bonus, Shady Bar: Villians get a bonus...) that would encourage much more diverse play and get some of those characters off the bench.

I really like this idea rixmith, each PvP could have a few more node fighting locations that would bring out a wider variety of characters and strategies.

Spoit

Skyedyne wrote:

I agree with this completely. However, when they lock out certain characters, or limit characters in PvP, they found a lower participation than events that had the "choose your own" mentality. People enjoy playing with those that they leveled, and that cause more participation, which in turn caused a higher ARPDAU.

I loved tourneys like the DA themed one, but it ended up showing lower numbers across the board comparatively. And as a business, you go with what works the best and not only what just works.

It's ****, to say the least, but at this point I think it would take a funbalance of OBW to make her less prominent in PvP. That's my opinion, anyways.

What, you mean using less commonly used Dark Avengers such as Magneto for the upteenth fatcap in a row wouldn't have more engagement than a tournament where you get to use your shiney new cap for the apparently relatively rare hulk rewards?

Let me guess, you'd never guess that people would buy more tokens featuring a new character like cap, as opposed to one that was featuring rags. never

Unknown

you complain about OBW now, you'll cry about Hood later, and if its not Hood it'll be Punisher or LThor. It's a vicious never ending cycle.
So basically all you really can do is man up and game on.

Unknown

There are pretty much 5 guys at the top tier, and you can usually form about 5 meaningful team with those 5 guys when one character is fixed (because some combination makes no sense whatsoever). If you removed some characters, all that does is change who are the top 5 but you still only have about 5 teams. Until they figure out a way to reward depth in PvP, there's no reason not to field the top 5 quality team (assuming you've access to the top tier characters) since you have to have your best team to defend. You might be able to win with 3 weaker guys, but that doesn't help you at all because that weaker team has to defend against very powerful opponents that will easily squash them.

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Phantron wrote:

There are pretty much 5 guys at the top tier, and you can usually form about 5 meaningful team with those 5 guys when one character is fixed (because some combination makes no sense whatsoever). If you removed some characters, all that does is change who are the top 5 but you still only have about 5 teams. Until they figure out a way to reward depth in PvP, there's no reason not to field the top 5 quality team (assuming you've access to the top tier characters) since you have to have your best team to defend. You might be able to win with 3 weaker guys, but that doesn't help you at all because that weaker team has to defend against very powerful opponents that will easily squash them.

Especially now that you only have about 5 minutes before you lose hundreds of points when you unshield

over_clocked

Before you complain of oBW, stop and think. It's alright if you don't have her/don't want to field her. But what about 90% of other 2* players that find it best for them to field oBW? You really just want to shaft them. What if next time your A-team member gets locked out?
Locking characters doesn't increase diversity in the slightest, and 2*s are not supposed to have diversity anyway if we look at the characters: top tier - oBW, Ares, Thor; middle tier - cStorm, MMN, A.Wolverine; lower tier: Daken, Captain, mHawkeye, Moonstone; trash tier: Bullseye, Bag-Man.
Compare to 3*s who have many more at both top and middle tiers. Top characters include at least 5-6 3*s: Magneto, Patch, Punisher, Hood, lazyThor, lazyDaken. The Hulk, lazyCap, Psylocke, GSBW, BP, Doom, Human Torch, Falcon? All solid choices.

Spoit

I thought the use of links was restricted under 5 posts as well

SnowcaTT

octagon69 wrote:

I'm tired of constantly have three colors stolen and her AR. I'm forced to use OBW to counter her theivin.

I'm getting really tired of having colors stolen by AR -AFTER- I play correctly by blocking purple from her -- because of course I can't block white, and the computer can do what you can't: assign team-up effects that are already on their team. It was pitiful when I had match in hand but couldn't stop the TU-AR, ending in my team wipe.

Unknown

Holy necro post, what have you done spoit, they are complaining about OBW again!