Increasing number of MPs and full art cards

Machine

Hi @Oktagon_Support,

Today I was looking through all the available cards for Throne of Eldraine and Theros Beyond Death. I noticed that each set now contains 15 masterpieces and that several full art cards have been added to different sets, including older sets. Can you please explain what your intention is with these deviations from "normal" set sizes (e.g. 10 MPs and a lot less mythics). I like to try to collect as many cards as I can. I don't mind if it takes me a longer period of time as a free to play player, but now it seems impossible.

Also, "uncompleting" sets by adding full art cards later to sets doesn't feel right to me. When you added full art cards with War of the Spark, I could kind of understand that a set based around planeswalkers would have special emphasis on these cards and as such, having "special" full art cards of them even further emphasized this. However, I fail to see any sense why several full art mythic cards in Throne of Eldraine need to be there, except from draining players' resources in their chase to collect all cards. I was glad that I almost went through the complete War of the Spark Fblthp full art cards, but seeing them popping up in Eldraine again makes me realize I'm fighting an uphill battle. In my opinion, you can let Fblthp "die" a peaceful death after he has sold all his War of the Spark goodies. No need to provide him with new stuff from other sets.

jtwood

FWIW, I enjoy the flavor of Fblthp showing up with a goodie every now and then. Kind of fun. I wouldn't mind if he kept doing this with past and future stuff.

That's my opinion-based input on that particular topic.

mayor

*cough*VIP*cough*

Machine

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/914232#Comment_914232

That's exactly what I don't want to do. I know you're being sarcastic here, so no worries, mate. Oh well, guess I will stop collecting the full art cards from other sets, because their normal art counterparts CAN be crafted, unlike the WAR vanguards. Unless... new events award a decent amount of crystals (hint...).

Kinesia

I can understand Full Art cards being a special item that requires VIP but that Vanguards STILL aren't added to normal packs and are neither craftable and yet they are meant to be a key part of gameplay now is a completely broken decision. Only unecessary parts of the game should be locked behind a paywall.

Every single Vanguard should be added into the normal sets... If you want to restrict them then treat them like Exclusives and add them after the next set comes out, but STOP LYING with them.

eg. Calling them "rare" and "mythic" is misleading and false advertising and is illegal in Australia and Europe.

The rare ones are NOT rare, they completely unavailable without buying them separately. The mythic ones are NOT mythic, they are completely unavailable without buying them separately.

Even more lying is that you can actually guarantee you can get every single Mythic one by using the non-dupe purchase. But you can NOT guarantee you can get every rare one. You could spend 1 million gold on the "fake rare" pack and NEVER EVER get the rare you are missing. This means that rares are far far far rarer than mythic. You are explicitly breaking European lootbox laws and Australian honesty in advertising laws.

They are part of the game for good or ill now so STOP keeping them away from people. Just add them to the normal packs, either immediately or on release of the next set like Exclusives are. And LABEL them Exclusive because they are not available in packs yet, so even their current labelling is illegal even if you don't want to change it.

I have pointed this out MANY times both publicly and in private.

Do I need to make an actual legal complaint in some countries to get you to address an obvious illegality that you have known about since just after their introduction?

Bugs are expected. Deliberately breaking laws and keeping them broken after they've been pointed out is international criminal behaviour. Is it worth having added Vanguards at all if the way you sell them gets you penalised in some countries? (And NOT the ones you've thrown away with the languarge problems... You've KEPT all the countries where this behaviour is illegal.)

I am happy to talk about this directly with your lawyers, as I said about a year ago, but if this doesn't change to be actually honest and legal then I will lodge complaints with the consumer protection agencies in both Australia and Europe. Enough is enough. The current system is directly and obviously Fraud.

mayor

The implementation of VIP has destroyed all fun from collecting cards. Now you know that you will get half the mythic and masterpiece cards of each collection no matter how much effort you put in the game. Usually in most games VIP means less effort and time to get stuff. Here it means whole collection in no time. They have created an unhappy player base taking away all possibilities. The only ones that dont complain are those that can afford VIP and get all cards in a day. Their choice to make VIP gods and the rest peasants will cost them. Just disgusted.

Machine

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/914573#Comment_914573

I also agree that VIP has destroyed the balance in this game. I understand that there are players that want to support the game and that's entirely up to them. But I've taken quite some pride in getting where I am right now without paying for anything. When new sets come out, I really feel like a peasant when I see new PWs (not available through crystals at that time) with the newest mythics and MPs.

Machine

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/914555#Comment_914555

I'm quite intriged by this post. Did you have any direct contact with Octagon about this matter? I know that Europe has changed their lootbox laws some time ago. One would expect companies to act on these changes and abide the new laws.

Kinesia

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/914648#Comment_914648

I've contacted D3Go many times in many different ways but didn't feel I had the same direct access to Oktagon at the time.

(My anger is way more at D3Go, for talking to Oktagon I should calm down and rephrase things in my software tester and customer experience voices...)

bk1234

I only like alternate art cards if they are cards we can’t get through crafting. I don’t really see the point otherwise. It just crowds up and complicates things.

mayor

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/914979#Comment_914979

And I wonder how many will purchase an expensive card they already have. And we have to admit the extra MPs is a hit below the belt, especially for non-VIPs.

Machine

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/914979#Comment_914979

That's exactly the reason why I'm getting the WAR alt art cards. I won't be getting the ELD cards as long as I can craft the normal ones. Fblthp is asking way too much crystals for them.

bk1234

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/915083#Comment_915083

The problem is you still risk crafting the regular ones, don’t you?

Ampersand

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/915095#Comment_915095

Wait, are we going to be able to craft Vanguards?

mayor

By craft they mean buying them with gems. And @Machine most possibly means the non-duplicate mythics. Because only WAR is fully random.

Asylamb

I think introducing alt arts for older cards would make sense if that alt card would be placed in a set that art belongs to. For example, we have M19's Murder with an alt art from M20. Basically, we have a card that's supposed to be Standard wasted on shadowing a Legacy card. If M20 version was a part of M20 set, that would be a much more reasonable approach, imo.

Machine

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https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/915083#Comment_915083

The problem is you still risk crafting the regular ones, don’t you?

Nope, I don't, because the vanguards can't be crafted. Which is the reason I'm buying the full art versions ;-) And the circle is closed again lol.

Machine

Asylamb said:

I think introducing alt arts for older cards would make sense if that alt card would be placed in a set that art belongs to. For example, we have M19's Murder with an alt art from M20. Basically, we have a card that's supposed to be Standard wasted on shadowing a Legacy card. If M20 version was a part of M20 set, that would be a much more reasonable approach, imo.

This would be an excellent idea and an incentive to actually get those cards. Right now, it isn't implemented like you are suggesting here, unfortunately. Hence, I'm not buying those. I will craft the regular version of said cards whenever I'm ready for it.

FindingHeart8

I actually enjoy more cards in MP and full-art form, more to chase and collect means more enjoyment.

What I do not like is our ability to obtain the in-game resources necessary to acquire even half of those cards is considerably strip-mined in comparison to what it used to be.  At this point, you pretty much have to pay to get more than a sample of the mythics/masterpieces.

Machine

FindingHeart8 said:

I actually enjoy more cards in MP and full-art form, more to chase and collect means more enjoyment.

What I do not like is our ability to obtain the in-game resources necessary to acquire even half of those cards is considerably strip-mined in comparison to what it used to be.  At this point, you pretty much have to pay to get more than a sample of the mythics/masterpieces.

You nailed it right here. In general, I like to collect as many new cards as I can, but as a F2P player, with the diminished rewards, it becomes increasingly difficult. I let it go for now, hoping it might change some day, so I just enjoy the cards I do get my hands on. For the same reason, I haven't bought any of the latest PWs with crystals, because my funds no longer allows it. Someone needs some runes?