Tricky Opponents

Nonce Equitaur 2

Some characters can be ignored in the game, at least for awhile. They might have big attacks, but they won't matter in the first few turns. Some characters must be paid attention to from the first move.

In olden days, it was Rags and CStorm. Attacking anyone but CStorm was deadly. If a weak character was put in front, with CStorm lurking in back, accidentally doing just a tile match could wipe out your team. Similarly, Rags could be overwhelming if he got a supply of red and green. Both Rags and CStorm got nerfed.

More recently, Spiderman was the unignorable one. If he got a blue supply, he could become overwhelming. He's now been nerfed.

OBW, Hulk, Hood, and Daredevil are the new unignorable ones. All four have managed to trip me up in a match when I haven't paid attention.

OBW's purple can be devastating if she's allowed to get it. She's my #1 target.
Hood will be a drain. Environment tiles are your friends when facing the Hood. Focus on one color.
Hulk mostly just needs careful planning before launching any major attacks against him. He's always my last target.
Daredevil -- if he sets traps, avoid those colors.
MStorm in the desert or jungle -- don't ignore her. (EDIT -- added this one).

Most of the other "finisher" characters --- Black Panther (12), BWGS (15), LCap (11), Human Torch (8), CMags(10), LThor (12, 14), Patch (14), Boosted Ares (10, 5, 10), Boosted Juggs --- it's a matter of denying those colors, or being prepared for a high level attack.

With Spiderman gone, I've noticed a lot more of OBW, Hulk, and Hood.

Other characters can be classified as abrasive -- they will hurt you, but not kill you. Punisher, Daken, Psylocke, Ragnarok. EDIT: I think I'd classify Human Torch somewhere between Finisher and Abrasive.

DD-The-Mighty

I'm glad you threw Rags in the sleeper damage catagory. He needs alot of work to make him 3* worthy, but I've been bitten by his constant attacking and cascade friendly antic's before, especially when hes paired up with a strike tile maker, taking medium chunks off of your health every 6sp turn, that can start to add up. and no matter how hard you deny there's always gonna be a shot for him to get that 6ap.

Spoit

DD-The-Mighty wrote:

I'm glad you threw Rags in the sleeper damage catagory. He needs alot of work to make him 3* worthy, but I've been bitten by his constant attacking and cascade friendly antic's before, especially when hes paired up with a strike tile maker, taking medium chunks off of your health every 6sp turn, that can start to add up. and no matter how hard you deny there's always gonna be a shot for him to get that 6ap.

He included rags as part of the 'past' list, along with c.storm, neither of which are a big threat any more. The cascades are really only dangerous when it fuels an actually useful power. I cheer when he casts, because that means the AI isn't using a more dangerous power

Unknown

I found Loki to always be a tricky opponent too because you never know when an Illusions will combo into something nasty. Sure, I don't really see him outside of matches where he has to be on the team, but I think I'd rather face Hulk over Loki.

Unknown

Nonce Equitaur 2 wrote:

Hood will be a drain. Environment tiles are your friends when facing the Hood. Focus on one color.

Wouldn't focusing on one color make another color spawn enough on the board so that Hood would steal them from you?

For me (2* range), other than what you listed, yellow Wolverine, buffed Venom and Yelena have been a pain at times. Yellow Wolverine's 12 red is pretty sneaky along with Venom's Devour (12 black). Buffed Yelena just **** you up if you don't pay attention to her.

Bowgentle

Phantron wrote:

I found Loki to always be a tricky opponent too because you never know when an Illusions will combo into something nasty. Sure, I don't really see him outside of matches where he has to be on the team, but I think I'd rather face Hulk over Loki.

By now I think at least 50% of your posts are trying to get people to use chars in PVP against you that suck.
I'm sure Loki/LT is way scarier than Hulk/LT.

Unknown

All those you listed have turned the battle due to a bad board or lucky cascade for them. All have little margin of error when dealing with them.

Hulk - save for last and avoid area attacks. Make sure you can kill in one turn or whittle down slowly.
OBW - Kill her! Killer her first and FAST!
Hood - Kill him first! Counter with your own Hood.
Daredevil - Who's this guy? LOL. Kill him first and avoid the traps.
HT - Kill first.

As for the rest. Punisher is a pain because usually he's paired with OBW and manages to get off at least one molotov. Not hard to kill, just annoying for the damage he causes. Same goes for Psylocke since her skills are pretty fast.

Unknown

The main danger of Loki in PvP is sitting through 6 second animation sequences, wondering if you're being attacked at that very moment.

Nonce Equitaur 2

UncleSam wrote:

OBW - Kill her! Killer her first and FAST!
Hood - Kill him first! Counter with your own Hood.
Daredevil - Who's this guy? LOL. Kill him first and avoid the traps.
HT - Kill first.

You listed four characters as first targets. But you seem most passionate about OBW and Hood.

I almost never see Daredevil. When I do, and I see Radar Sense, Equalizer, Ambush zoom by (if I'm paying attention), I often have to go look up which color I need to be careful about. He definitely can't be ignored. He has the same colors as Magneto, who outclasses him. Also, he's a challenge to play, and is generally useless against goons. I can't imagine grinding with him. I doubt he'll ever be a common sight -- which is good, because he's tricky.

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Nonce Equitaur 2 wrote:

You listed four characters as first targets. But you seem most passionate about OBW and Hood.

I don't like anyone stealing my precious ap! Plus low health characters go down fast making it so you only have to worry about a few colors/abilities.

rixmith

Don't forget mStorm! Gotta take her out fast in the Forest and Desert.

Unknown

Aside from Hulk, who you take out last, and Daredevil who you can take out whenever as long as you pay attention to the traps, the other ones are first targets and low health targets for a reason. It's more just take out the support characters who assist the finishers first. CStorm still usually gets taken out early as well since you can't use any strong attacks on other chars while she's there and 11 blue can be really annoying as well.

OBW fills support and healing so she's getting used in place of Spidey. Hulk is around more now because other people don't have spidey to completely neutralize him anymore, so he's back to being pretty good on defense.

Unknown

I kill OBW before I kill the Hood.

Unknown

Nonce Equitaur 2 wrote:

With Spiderman gone, I've noticed a lot more of OBW, Hulk, and Hood.

Ssshhhhh.... or they'll nerf them too.

HairyDave

rixmith wrote:

Don't forget mStorm! Gotta take her out fast in the Forest and Desert.

And then it's do I kill mStorm or the inevitable OBW first...

I've been burned badly doing it either way. AR death spiral if I target mStorm; Mistress-fueled cascades if I hit OBW. I'm actually tempted to skip them if they turn up in my PVP queue now no matter how much they're worth.

Edit: I'm going to throw Bullseye in the mix too - particularly if he's buffed - just because he slows everything down so much with his protect tiles. More than once he's completely bogged me down to the point where I've done almost no damage at the end of a match (thanks to a Hammer Lt healing him).

over_clocked

I often kill Spidey/Bullseye first even if they are harmless because enemy protect tiles annoy me that much.

As for tricky, you mostly got it right, cStorm/mStorm/oBW/Hood all the way.
The Hulk doesn't just allow you to murder him casually unless you have a maxed TBTI or tons of AP.
Human Torch will kitty you up if you ignore him, at least with his red.
lazyDaken deserves a mention as he passively creates strikes and even has a blue AP outlet now.
Punisher will definitely screw you in some way if you let him take so many turns (those Molotovs...). Psylocke is less tricky, no AoE. Cheap AoE is always bad for you because ideally you want only one character to take some damage and use a healthpack on them.

Daredevil is a joke, he can be ignored until left last. I ran cMagneto who is cascade prone against lvl 330 Hood/Commander/Daredevil in the Sim, of course had to kill Hood first, then Commander. Yes - I consider a strike-generating goon more dangerous than Bagdevil. Haven't got a single trap off despite the trap spam.