Locked out Characters

Twysta

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I actually felt the Family Reunion PvP was a nice change.
Bring back heroic PvE's I say!

...that and the Steam UI.

jp1

Well, I would have except all my best characters were locked out. If I had a champed Gladiathor I would have loved it.

Phumade

all of those themed events like bff, black vortex, earths mightiest should work like this.  Only allow the qualified characters and lock out the rest.  I found it to be refreshing and chill event

bluewolf

Each player's experience will vary wildly depending on how developed their roster is.

There are now 89 4's in the game.  Heroic PVEs used (basically) the 5 boosted characters with the "reinforcements" helping out on each day, and I think they never had any 4* reinforcements under the old rules.

5/89 is about 5.6% of the tier.....locking out, say, Rocket would probably make a lot of people mad.

Heroics made a lot more sense when there were a lot less characters in the game.

I didn't terribly mind this PVP but scores were low and matches were long.  But, no Bishop or Worthy!  So that was nice.  I am glad to see the devs trying new things.

Tony_Foot

Hated it and it reminded me why I don’t want heroics back. Gave up after 7 matches. If I had max champed fours I might have felt differently.

Daredevil217

I liked it a lot.  Except I did that the thing I usually do and join in the last 8 hours. This was a big mistake because it cost healthpacks in ways it wouldn’t have if I had my whole roster available to me. So I barely hit 900 and shielded under. Next time I’ll circumvent that by joining earlier and climbing over several days. 

I experimented a tiny bit, but my main team was Loki, GladThor, Gamora. 

BoyWonder1914

bluewolf said:

Heroics made a lot more sense when there were a lot less characters in the game.

I actually feel the opposite. As someone who HATES the thought of using the same characters over and over, I very much welcome the thought of being forced to think of new combinations and use new characters in ways I haven't before. I'm going out of my way to champ all these characters, I'd like to think that it's for a greater purpose than simply being a new avenue for champ rewards. But then again I no longer really play for placement, so I'm just looking to get some variety out of a game I'v been playing for years. 

As far as this PVP goes, I didn't really mind it until I got north of 700 points. Then all the 5-star players decided that their 470 Cardusa combos were a better defense than their 5-stars. 

PiMacleod

I agree with those who like it.

Id suggest one minor change, though.  Allow a few loners at decent levels... So everyone can play.  Just middle tier loners... Like 3 covers in each color.  It wont make anyone overpowered versus those that have champs, but itll give someone a shot.

Because seriously, making people fight outside of their comfort zone is a welcome thing.  Otherwise we rarely switch from the "tried and true".

peterdark

This one was difficult for me as most of my damage dealers or anyone I could use against special tile creators were locked out. Yep, I got owned by Cardusa.

But on the flip side I didn't meet a Grocket + Juggs/Kitty/ Captain suicide &Marvel team

bluewolf

I should have been more clear. 

For vets Heroic events feel fresh and interesting. 

For newer people with a few champed 4’s; who have dozens of covered 4’s but no iso to champ them; or who have dozens of 4’s with a few covers. All those people would feel frustrated when the characters they bonused/targeted for a long time become unusable and they are left trying to do something with the people they can’t focus on in the Age of Dilution. 

And it is clear that Targeted Heroes is leaning into focused development over broad development, probably because it is more acceptable to the devs to make it easier to chase specific people with a clear path to progress than it would be to overcome dilution via a large increase in more generally useful rewards (more CP or tokens or HP or whatever).

So for all the newer players, Heroic pves or things like a Heroic pvp can feel bad. At least this one used a lot of the meta characters that many people already chase and have champed. 

Borstock

I don't like it for PvPs, but I do like it for PvEs.

pheregas

Borstock said:

I don't like it for PvPs, but I do like it for PvEs.

I'm with Borstock here.  It's fresh and challenging for PVEs.  For PVPs it was maddening.  The endless stream of Gamora/Carnage/Medusa took forever.  If you happened to see anything else, you pounced on it (2x).  My climbing non-Gamora/Carnage/Medusa team got hit 5x by one guy back to back...  That never happens in standard PVP.

Warbringa

Well except now with 89 4*s, you could expand heroics to say 20 4* characters, giving enough diversity and options for most rosters.  I don't think the old model of only 5 options of characters would work anymore.

Offer a similar ratio of 3 and 5* characters as well.  Make people figure out decent combinations.  Since rosters are limited, the difficulties of nodes in each SCL could be slightly decreased to make up for this facet of heroics (although I would be ok keeping them the same personally). 

Omegased

I LOVE the idea of more limiting of character use in PvP or others. Standard PVP is typically either the requred with 4R&G/Kitty, or Thorkye.

if you locked these characters out sometimes you'll get much larger variation.

grumbLEGO

I enjoyed the change, but then I make it a point to have a complete roster and managed to have 3 5*s I could use, thanos/OML/black bolt worked very well for me, not well enough to get a spider ham cover I wanted but still.  

Kolence

I liked the change from the usual teams in pvp, but I did have all the 4*s and at pretty decent levels this time too. I can see how the experience would instead be unpleasant for a non veteran roster, as bluewolf pointed out. 

Maybe, if there was a way for newer rosters to unlock a loaner character just for the event? Say, with a little HP and add covers for it with red Iso-8? And if they had a hard copy of the character, the loaner starts with the same number of covers. Something like that. 

PuceMoose

I'd love to see more limited events, but maybe less restrictive. A long time ago they ran a "women only" (Women of Marvel? Girls' Night Out? Can't remember the name) event and it was fun. Only women? Only men? Only heroes? Only villains? There's a lot of broader categories available to pull from to make interesting roster selection options every now and then in an event.