The New Player

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New Player: This game is great. I can easily get 1* and 2* characters simply by playing PvP. In PvE, scaling is a non issue for me. In PvP, I'm in a bracket that I can easily rise to the top.
Dev 1: That new player seems to be enjoying himself. We should try to get some $$$ from him.
Dev 2: That's easy. If we bundle the roster slots into packs that need at least 500HP, it should take care of the issue.
New Player: Eh, what am I supposed to do with this new character I got. I don't have the roster slot for the new character nor can I possibly get 500HP in a week.
Dev 1: Well, you can either sell it for ISO, one of the characters in your roster for ISO or simply hand over some $$$
New Player: .....

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Like IceIX said, many new players didn't like spending $2 at a time to increased roster slots, so this change aims to make roster slot purchases feel like a more 'quality' purchase to retain users. I think they would have preferred to keep it at single purchases had people not complained.

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mcheath wrote:

Like IceIX said, many new players didn't like spending $2 at a time to increased roster slots, so this change aims to make roster slot purchases feel like a more 'quality' purchase to retain users. I think they would have preferred to keep it at single purchases had people not complained.

It's got nothing to do with 'quality' purchases and more to do with them trying to fleece more money out of their customers.

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mcheath wrote:

Like IceIX said, many new players didn't like spending $2 at a time to increased roster slots, so this change aims to make roster slot purchases feel like a more 'quality' purchase to retain users. I think they would have preferred to keep it at single purchases had people not complained.

And I am Santa Claus too...

The players who didn't like to spend $2 could spend more and get the more HP and buy several slots immediately, or later or spend the HP on something else in the meantime. Now they just NOT have that option. You actually believe players start complaining about having option to spend X or Y and go for Y to *remove* the X option?

That Ice says bullcks does not surprise me at all but that people pick it up and repeat over without doing a basic make-sense check is really a let down.

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TheUnwiseOne wrote:

mcheath wrote:

Like IceIX said, many new players didn't like spending $2 at a time to increased roster slots, so this change aims to make roster slot purchases feel like a more 'quality' purchase to retain users. I think they would have preferred to keep it at single purchases had people not complained.

It's got nothing to do with 'quality' purchases and more to do with them trying to fleece more money out of their customers.

Well yeah, that's pretty much what I said in less harsh terms. People spent less if they had to do it $2 at a time so they're gonna try making people spend $5 so it feels more like investing in the game and thus keep them around longer. People can complain about it but it's their complaining that led to this change in the first place.

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pasa_ wrote:

mcheath wrote:

Like IceIX said, many new players didn't like spending $2 at a time to increased roster slots, so this change aims to make roster slot purchases feel like a more 'quality' purchase to retain users. I think they would have preferred to keep it at single purchases had people not complained.

And I am Santa Claus too...

The players who didn't like to spend $2 could spend more and get the more HP and buy several slots immediately, or later or spend the HP on something else in the meantime. Now they just NOT have that option. You actually believe players start complaining about having option to spend X or Y and go for Y to *remove* the X option?

That Ice says bullcks does not surprise me at all but that people pick it up and repeat over without doing a basic make-sense check is really a let down.

Anyone who reads this forum knows their recent changes are all attempts to maximize profits. Removing options to make the average customer feel a certain way about their purchase is just another road in that direction. I'm not saying it's the right direction or anything, just that it does make sense.

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TheUnwiseOne wrote:

mcheath wrote:

Like IceIX said, many new players didn't like spending $2 at a time to increased roster slots, so this change aims to make roster slot purchases feel like a more 'quality' purchase to retain users. I think they would have preferred to keep it at single purchases had people not complained.

It's got nothing to do with 'quality' purchases and more to do with them trying to fleece more money out of their customers.

Oh, look. More people complaining that companies are greedy when they can't get everything for free.

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ZenBrillig wrote:

Oh, look. More people complaining that companies are greedy when they can't get everything for free.

Actually the complaint was more around the **** "explanation" attached that tries to show the more-money-grab move as if it served the users' interest and was following their requests. But never mind reading it's enough to insert the smart comments.

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pasa_ wrote:

Actually the complaint was more around the **** "explanation" attached that tries to show the more-money-grab move as if it served the users' interest and was following their requests. But never mind reading it's enough to insert the smart comments.

Do you have any evidence that it doesn't serve the users' interests? No you don't, you just immediately go with the "money-grab" explanation. There are plenty of people here running their mouths to the detriment of their brains, but I'm not one of them.

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ZenBrillig wrote:

Do you have any evidence that it doesn't serve the users' interests? No you don't, you just immediately go with the "money-grab" explanation. There are plenty of people here running their mouths to the detriment of their brains, but I'm not one of them.

Yes, youre one of them. I didnt spend even euro on this game so I must earn every HP to buy my slots. If I would be starting now I would be losing many covers cause I couldnt buy one slot. They force people to spend money, taking their choice how they want to play. But ofc to people like you it means they "care".

noobprime

sorry i missed this. are roster slots in packs now?

Konman

noobprime wrote:

sorry i missed this. are roster slots in packs now?

As announced as part of the latest patch...

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8042

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ZenBrillig wrote:

pasa_ wrote:

Actually the complaint was more around the **** "explanation" attached that tries to show the more-money-grab move as if it served the users' interest and was following their requests. But never mind reading it's enough to insert the smart comments.

Do you have any evidence that it doesn't serve the users' interests? No you don't, you just immediately go with the "money-grab" explanation. There are plenty of people here running their mouths to the detriment of their brains, but I'm not one of them.

Profitibility is the #1 goal of any business.

If you think they changed the guaranteed packs to now have a 2% chance of scoring the featured character for our amusement; I'd think you're on some serious drugs.

noobprime

Konman wrote:

As announced as part of the latest patch...

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8042

Thanks, I was blinded by the spidey nerf wall.

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ZenBrillig wrote:

TheUnwiseOne wrote:

mcheath wrote:

Like IceIX said, many new players didn't like spending $2 at a time to increased roster slots, so this change aims to make roster slot purchases feel like a more 'quality' purchase to retain users. I think they would have preferred to keep it at single purchases had people not complained.

It's got nothing to do with 'quality' purchases and more to do with them trying to fleece more money out of their customers.

Oh, look. More people complaining that companies are greedy when they can't get everything for free.

Who said anything about free? Nobody. You really have to read things properly before you start with your usual sarcastic answers. The point he, i and others made is they are wanting 'more' money, which is 100% true, as with all the nerfing of tokens,roster slots and no guarantee of the featured hero which has all happened lately. It's not made up, it's all there too see.

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Malcoran wrote:

Yes, youre one of them. I didnt spend even euro on this game so I must earn every HP to buy my slots. If I would be starting now I would be losing many covers cause I couldnt buy one slot. They force people to spend money, taking their choice how they want to play. But ofc to people like you it means they "care".

Why do you think you should be able to play games completely free? You still have the choice to play this game however you want, you're just whining because some of the choices cost money, which you're too cheap to pay out.

P.S. You're not "earning" HP - D3 is giving them to you, for free, for playing the game. And you're complaining that it's not enough. Are you seriously unable to see how you sound like an ungrateful entitled child?

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ZenBrillig wrote:

P.S. You're not "earning" HP - D3 is giving them to you, for free, for playing the game. And you're complaining that it's not enough. Are you seriously unable to see how you sound like an ungrateful entitled child?

Can you please make one post without been snarky and insulting others? I for one and i'm sure others, really get fed up seeing your posts bashing others. Thanks.

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ZenBrillig wrote:

Why do you think you should be able to play games completely free? You still have the choice to play this game however you want, you're just whining because some of the choices cost money, which you're too cheap to pay out.

P.S. You're not "earning" HP - D3 is giving them to you, for free, for playing the game. And you're complaining that it's not enough. Are you seriously unable to see how you sound like an ungrateful entitled child?

Yes, I should be able to play this free-to-play game for free. The issue is that the slot change was clearly a business decision and they try to disguise it as something players want. Well, most of know f2p games are all about micro transactions, so for them to change the micro trans to a macro trans screams for the money. D3 can do whatever they want. It's their game. We reserve the right to be vocal about changes we don't like, however.

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UncleSam wrote:

Well, most of know f2p games are all about micro transactions, so for them to change the micro trans to a macro trans screams for the money.

Can you explain this more? What you're saying echoes exactly what Ice said - that they're expecting to see a small hit financially from this. F2P live by micro-transactions, so changing it to a macro transaction makes it sound like they'll lose money. The micro-transactions are for those who like to throw $5 or $10 at an experimental game - something like the cost of a fast food meal or a movie ticket. Get a few hours enjoyment from a game, and it's the same as going out for food or a movie.

UncleSam wrote:

Yes, I should be able to play this free-to-play game for free.

And no one's stopping you from playing it. F2P games do a lot of things to limit content for the non-paying customers so that they either bail early, or invest a small amount to stick around. In this case, the devs are saying "here, have all the content, but we're going to limit how much you can do and how fast you can do it." That's nothing out of the ordinary for any free to play game (especially the ad-free ones).

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Riggy wrote:

Can you explain this more? What you're saying echoes exactly what Ice said - that they're expecting to see a small hit financially from this. F2P live by micro-transactions, so changing it to a macro transaction makes it sound like they'll lose money. The micro-transactions are for those who like to throw $5 or $10 at an experimental game - something like the cost of a fast food meal or a movie ticket. Get a few hours enjoyment from a game, and it's the same as going out for food or a movie.

Ice originally said:

IceIX wrote:

The intent is to allow users to save for these Comic Slots while making the purchase of these bundles feel more impactful instead of piecemeal."

So it sounded like they were doing it for the players benefit. Later he made the comment you stated, but that's not the same as admitting the change is to the player's detriment. It could very well mean that players will hold their money longer so roster buying will dip a bit, but then probably spike back up and settle somewhere in between.

Riggy wrote:

And no one's stopping you from playing it. F2P games do a lot of things to limit content for the non-paying customers so that they either bail early, or invest a small amount to stick around. In this case, the devs are saying "here, have all the content, but we're going to limit how much you can do and how fast you can do it." That's nothing out of the ordinary for any free to play game (especially the ad-free ones).

It hurts new players because those groupings are right around the place where a f2p player needs the slots to hold those shiny 3* chars they're getting but aren't strong enough to win reliably to complete them, so they'll likely end up having to sell more 3* covers early thus slowing their already dismal progression.

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UncleSam wrote:

ZenBrillig wrote:

Why do you think you should be able to play games completely free? You still have the choice to play this game however you want, you're just whining because some of the choices cost money, which you're too cheap to pay out.

P.S. You're not "earning" HP - D3 is giving them to you, for free, for playing the game. And you're complaining that it's not enough. Are you seriously unable to see how you sound like an ungrateful entitled child?

Yes, I should be able to play this free-to-play game for free. The issue is that the slot change was clearly a business decision and they try to disguise it as something players want. Well, most of know f2p games are all about micro transactions, so for them to change the micro trans to a macro trans screams for the money. D3 can do whatever they want. It's their game. We reserve the right to be vocal about changes we don't like, however.

You can still play it for free. If you don't want to spend $5 on a bundle if cover slots then you can sacrifice a character you don't like for the 1 you do want. If you don't want to spend $5 here and there or don't wanna play all the time you should not expect to be super competitive. If you want a game where every1 is on an even playing field then go drop a few hundred dollars for a console and pay $60 for a game that usually gets old after a week or 2.

Point being. If you aren't paying for the game you don't really have any basis of saying the amount of free currency is a rip off. They are providing you a *free* game. 0 up front cost. 0 times do they ever say pay now or you can never play the game again. If they don't entice people to spend money on certain things then a ton of people never spend anything. Then the game dies and nobody plays.