Time to Make the Jump to 5* Land?

tdtmf

I'd appreciate some input here. I have soft capped my 5* at 302 but have a 9 ready to champion. I enough Iso8 to do it but have held off so I don't increase the level of the competition. 

I only play PVE. Should I make the jump, and if I do, how much harder will the competition get?

the 5*s ready to champion are thor, kitty, thanos, cap, doc oct, dr strange, Jessica jones, Okoye, wolverine. 

I also worry about making my 4* teams obsolete. 

Thoughts?  

jp1

For PVE you have a lot of benefit to gain, especially with that selection. Champ ‘em.

PVP is another story.

TPF Alexis

Yeah, you are pretty much going to make your 4* teams obsolete. But that's pretty much the only downside. You've got Thor, Okoye, Kitty, Jess, and Thanos there. You're not going to find a better lot to transition with.

grunth13

How high are your 4s?

HoundofShadow

You have all the meta 5*. You are ready to run in PvE. And you play only PvEs. 

If you play PvP hard as well, then it's a different story because 5* players have been at the mercy of Bishop. 

shinnaruto

Wow! Those are great choices. CL9 PvE will be so much easier and quicker. If you pick the right slot times and slices, then you should reap some good rewards. Champ them!

tdtmf

grunth13 said:

How high are your 4s?

All but the last 9 are champ'd. Highest level is 312 (Medusa) the bulk range from 290-300.

Yepyep

@tdtmf you're absolutely more than ready to go if you can champ all (or even 4+) at once.

I play both PvE and PvP. Just in the last month, rather inadvertantly, I made the transition after I champed one 5*; bc my soft cap was a little high, I was thrust into 5* land pretty much totally. I had only Okoye. I was...

...utterly boned (in an unpleasant way, sadly), especially in PvP. So I champed Kitty and took Thor to his max level (551, so no slouch). That helped immensely.

I don't worry too much about placement, so top-50 or better is usually OK by me, though I try for top-25 in PvP. It can be a struggle to hit 900 but not all that bad.

So, given that your focus is PvE, I'd say you're entirely golden. And then some! I wish I had your stable and the ISO to feed them!

Best of luck! You're in a tremendously fun spot!  👊🏼

Daredevil217

There is zero drawback to champing 5s for PVE. They will make your grinds quicker and in the event that you want to use your 4s, you always can (though you’ll place lower). If you played PVP I’d suggest not champing to avoid the Bishop problem (also all but maybe 3-4 of your 4s will be obsolete). But PVE-only? Go for it. 

abenness

Yepyep said:

@tdtmf you're absolutely more than ready to go if you can champ all (or even 4+) at once.

I play both PvE and PvP. Just in the last month, rather inadvertantly, I made the transition after I champed one 5*; bc my soft cap was a little high, I was thrust into 5* land pretty much totally. I had only Okoye. I was...

...utterly boned (in an unpleasant way, sadly), especially in PvP. So I champed Kitty and took Thor to his max level (551, so no slouch). That helped immensely.

I don't worry too much about placement, so top-50 or better is usually OK by me, though I try for top-25 in PvP. It can be a struggle to hit 900 but not all that bad.

So, given that your focus is PvE, I'd say you're entirely golden. And then some! I wish I had your stable and the ISO to feed them!

Best of luck! You're in a tremendously fun spot!  👊🏼

Where was your softcap for your other 5*?  Asking because I have Kitty champed and Hela covered but softcapped at 360.  I don't really want to only see dual-champ 5* teams until I have some other options available (fingers crossed for Iceman and Prof X).

Are you not able to reach 900 in PVP using Gritty alone?  This is pretty straightforward for me in s1, starting 24-36 hours in to the event.

abenness

tdtmf said:

I'd appreciate some input here. I have soft capped my 5* at 302 but have a 9 ready to champion. I enough Iso8 to do it but have held off so I don't increase the level of the competition. 

I only play PVE. Should I make the jump, and if I do, how much harder will the competition get?

the 5*s ready to champion are thor, kitty, thanos, cap, doc oct, dr strange, Jessica jones, Okoye, wolverine. 

I also worry about making my 4* teams obsolete. 

Thoughts?  

Honestly dude, this comes across as a bit silly.  Of course you should move to 5* level, and you probably should have done it months ago. You have the meta PVP teams of Thorkoye, and Gritty available.  You have the fun alternatives of throwing in JJ or Dr Strange. Your 4*-only teams would be obsolete apart from boost weeks, but during boost weeks they may well work well with one of your 5*.

In PVE, nothing would stop you from playing at the SCL you are currently playing, using the 4* teams you currently use, and taking the same time you currently do, for your current level of prizes.

But, you would have Gritty and Thanos, enough to compete strongly for top5/top10 finishes in scl9. What more do you think you would need?

tdtmf

abenness said:

tdtmf said:

I'd appreciate some input here. I have soft capped my 5* at 302 but have a 9 ready to champion. I enough Iso8 to do it but have held off so I don't increase the level of the competition. 

I only play PVE. Should I make the jump, and if I do, how much harder will the competition get?

the 5*s ready to champion are thor, kitty, thanos, cap, doc oct, dr strange, Jessica jones, Okoye, wolverine. 

I also worry about making my 4* teams obsolete. 

Thoughts?  

Honestly dude, this comes across as a bit silly.  Of course you should move to 5* level, and you probably should have done it months ago. You have the meta PVP teams of Thorkoye, and Gritty available.  You have the fun alternatives of throwing in JJ or Dr Strange. Your 4*-only teams would be obsolete apart from boost weeks, but during boost weeks they may well work well with one of your 5*.

In PVE, nothing would stop you from playing at the SCL you are currently playing, using the 4* teams you currently use, and taking the same time you currently do, for your current level of prizes.

But, you would have Gritty and Thanos, enough to compete strongly for top5/top10 finishes in scl9. What more do you think you would need?

Sorry if it sounds silly to you, it certainly wasn't meant to be.

I've spent 5 years building a roster and remember reading many people say that they regretted making the jump to 5* level, though it has been awhile. I'd hate to ruin the fun of the game for me.

I've got 12 or so 4* characters that I use on a regular basis and that I am comfortable with. Luckily, I've got many of the top 5*s so it sounds like the transition shouldn't be too bad. I just have to learn the dynamics of several new teams. 

tdtmf

abenness said:

Yepyep said:

@tdtmf you're absolutely more than ready to go if you can champ all (or even 4+) at once.

I play both PvE and PvP. Just in the last month, rather inadvertantly, I made the transition after I champed one 5*; bc my soft cap was a little high, I was thrust into 5* land pretty much totally. I had only Okoye. I was...

...utterly boned (in an unpleasant way, sadly), especially in PvP. So I champed Kitty and took Thor to his max level (551, so no slouch). That helped immensely.

I don't worry too much about placement, so top-50 or better is usually OK by me, though I try for top-25 in PvP. It can be a struggle to hit 900 but not all that bad.

So, given that your focus is PvE, I'd say you're entirely golden. And then some! I wish I had your stable and the ISO to feed them!

Best of luck! You're in a tremendously fun spot!  👊🏼

Where was your softcap for your other 5*?  Asking because I have Kitty champed and Hela covered but softcapped at 360.  I don't really want to only see dual-champ 5* teams until I have some other options available (fingers crossed for Iceman and Prof X).

Are you not able to reach 900 in PVP using Gritty alone?  This is pretty straightforward for me in s1, starting 24-36 hours in to the event.

My soft cap is 302 for all but 3 of my 5*. I have 2 at 305 and one at 306.

I hardly ever play PVP  and when I do, the only 5* I've used is Thanos  

tdtmf

Yepyep said:

@tdtmf you're absolutely more than ready to go if you can champ all (or even 4+) at once.

I play both PvE and PvP. Just in the last month, rather inadvertantly, I made the transition after I champed one 5*; bc my soft cap was a little high, I was thrust into 5* land pretty much totally. I had only Okoye. I was...

...utterly boned (in an unpleasant way, sadly), especially in PvP. So I champed Kitty and took Thor to his max level (551, so no slouch). That helped immensely.

I don't worry too much about placement, so top-50 or better is usually OK by me, though I try for top-25 in PvP. It can be a struggle to hit 900 but not all that bad.

So, given that your focus is PvE, I'd say you're entirely golden. And then some! I wish I had your stable and the ISO to feed them!

Best of luck! You're in a tremendously fun spot!  👊🏼

Thanks! I appreciate it! 

DAZ0273

I have absolutely nothing to add except to say enjoy your 5* and additional free time as you crush your clears! If I had that roster I might even start to enjoy pve! Probably not...😁

Daredevil217

About 7.5 months ago I made the leap in a similar position to you. Had a lot of the same concerns and pretty much all the same characters to transition with. You can read my very long post discussing my transition here. Maybe it’ll help you decide. Though this was all pre-Bishop. 

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/76951/i-ve-denied-the-signs-too-long-i-m-a-5-player/p1

Yepyep

tdtmf said:

Honestly dude, this comes across as a bit silly.  Of course you should move to 5* level, and you probably should have done it months ago. You have the meta PVP teams of Thorkoye, and Gritty available.  You have the fun alternatives of throwing in JJ or Dr Strange. Your 4*-only teams would be obsolete apart from boost weeks, but during boost weeks they may well work well with one of your 5*.

In PVE, nothing would stop you from playing at the SCL you are currently playing, using the 4* teams you currently use, and taking the same time you currently do, for your current level of prizes.

But, you would have Gritty and Thanos, enough to compete strongly for top5/top10 finishes in scl9. What more do you think you would need?

Sorry if it sounds silly to you, it certainly wasn't meant to be.

I've spent 5 years building a roster and remember reading many people say that they regretted making the jump to 5* level, though it has been awhile. I'd hate to ruin the fun of the game for me.

I've got 12 or so 4* characters that I use on a regular basis and that I am comfortable with. Luckily, I've got many of the top 5*s so it sounds like the transition shouldn't be too bad. I just have to learn the dynamics of several new teams. 

EXACTLY. There is no turning back in this game (unless you want to sell your 5*s...). It is entirely prudent to query the field and get some say-so from the vets. It's silly to imply otherwise!

abenness said:

Yepyep said:

...Just in the last month, rather inadvertantly, I made the transition after I champed one 5*; bc my soft cap was a little high, I was thrust into 5* land pretty much totally. I had only Okoye. I was...

...utterly boned (in an unpleasant way, sadly), especially in PvP. So I champed Kitty and took Thor to his max level (551, so no slouch). That helped immensely.
...

Where was your softcap for your other 5*?  Asking because I have Kitty champed and Hela covered but softcapped at 360.  I don't really want to only see dual-champ 5* teams until I have some other options available (fingers crossed for Iceman and Prof X).

Are you not able to reach 900 in PVP using Gritty alone?  This is pretty straightforward for me in s1, starting 24-36 hours in to the event.

My soft cap was 320. I had 10+ 5*s there and Kitty at, um, 375? Right about there. Then I champed Okoye to 453. I was seeing nothing but full 5* rosters, though mostly <475 (not all, though; some were way north of that).

I don't know that the problem was a high soft cap or whatever else. 🤷🏻‍♂️ All I know is that one 5* champ was untenable for me. (And that's why OP's query is not silly... It's a fraught thing going to 5*...).

I wish that I had waited a little while longer. Maybe another 6 months. Build up ISO, maybe fully cover Thor (not really necessary with 5xgreen, though). But it's fine. But if I was anal about placement I'd be very, very sad...

abenness

tdtmf said:

Sorry if it sounds silly to you, it certainly wasn't meant to be.

I've spent 5 years building a roster and remember reading many people say that they regretted making the jump to 5* level, though it has been awhile. I'd hate to ruin the fun of the game for me.

I've got 12 or so 4* characters that I use on a regular basis and that I am comfortable with. Luckily, I've got many of the top 5*s so it sounds like the transition shouldn't be too bad. I just have to learn the dynamics of several new teams. 

My reaction is because I was bemused by your question given the circumstances. I'm playing at 5* level with only Kitty champed, and I am super-jealous of the options you have available. Sorry for the negative connotation.

The regrets people have had about going to the 5* level are from those who do it typically with a weaker single champ or non-synergistic pair. This will not be you.

You have a variety of the strongest toons and teams in the 5* level, and will slaughter your way through PVE. The only challenging fights will (sometimes) be the 5e nodes when they scale to 515.

Come and play PVP, join a LINE room and be part of the community there too.

Enjoy!

bluewolf

blankcanvas said:

This is a really interesting thread. All the contributions are great. As a 4* player, my best 5* is kitty at 255 5/2/3 and I've not put any iso into my 5* tier as I've read a few posts about people then finding the 4* game obsolete and I wouldn't want to do that as I find the variety of abilities in 4* to be better than 5* imo.

Can I ask you vets? If one were to transition into 5* game for PVE what is the point of the greater placement rewards as you'll then be earning 4* covers for characters that as a 5* player you'd never use? That would surely be a waste of iso champing those characters no? 

And doesn't this then point to the desperate need for CL10 to be opened up with 5* cover rewards to keep all you vets interested?

First, the very top players can earn LTs.  But that pool is very small.

For many (most?) 5* players, the 4* covers are champ rewards, it's true.  The number of 4's you will use - is not that many, at least by choice.  Champ rewards are significant if you have been playing long enough to have most of the 4's at a high level.  

The champ rewards means that using iso is not a waste.

In terms of SCL10 - people need to look the difference between the rewards in different SCLs.  Because as things stand - there is absolutely no way - a 0% chance - that you would get 5* cover rewards from SCL10.  The gradation from 7 - 8 - 9 is like maybe 10-15 CP each time (with 5E node rewards going up, and progression, and an extra 4* cover or two).  A 5* cover is at minimum equal to 7 4's (~1:7).  How insanely hard would they need to make SCL10 to basically increase rewards 6X between 9 and 10?  At absolute most, you would maybe get some more people getting another 25CP or an LT from the mythical SCL10.

Note that the biggest hurdle to SCL 10 is simply the absolute lack of growth in the top SCL player count.  It has held steady for a very long time - maybe it has shrunk, maybe it's stable with new people replacing old ones.  But it's not growing.  If they created SCL10, they are mostly creating a higher tier of rewards that would pull some of those top players up and give them more rewards for (presumably) more time spent in game).  Which means they would be increasing the overall level of rewards that the same number of people are receiving.  I don't think that there is a large group of players who are staying in SCL6 or something because they can't place in 7 (in other words, there would not be a domino effect upwards) because for 90% of players, they only are looking at progression anyway.

In terms of continued vet interest, most of that comes from social engagement outside the game, habit/addition, and enjoyment of the basic game.  There has been basically no movement on the part of the developers (beyond slightly bumping up the daily rewards) in a very long time to attempt to make changes that vets have been asking for.  Although the new events help keep increase variety, they help all players in that regard.  Anyway.

Moving to the 5 tier means you have a lot more choices in how you play and what you want to do.  You can play SCL9, or play lower for less time spent in game.  You can rather quickly hit decent scores in PVP if you want vs the tedious wins grinding that many developing 4* players are forced to engage in.  The biggest argument for moving into the 5 tier is it will add a LOT of flexibility in how you play and what you can accomplish with basically the same amount (and probably less) of effort.

If your champed 5's are garbage, well, your PVP experience will probably take a hit.  It's too bad the devs don't have the interest, resources, or both to somehow balance the tier more.

AXP_isme

I took the plunge to 5* land a couple
of months ago. PvE is much faster and easier so that’s a good thing. PvP has been much more boring. I’m now limited in the teams I can use by the teams I’m facing - I have to use my 5*s to stand a chance - and the teams I see are much more homogeneous. 

It’s a double edged sword. I don’t really regret it as I was never much of a one for PvP anyway but the PvP experience is discernibly worse. Horses for courses. 

Phumade

blankcanvas said:

Can I ask you vets? If one were to transition into 5* game for PVE what is the point of the greater placement rewards as you'll then be earning 4* covers for characters that as a 5* player you'd never use? That would surely be a waste of iso champing those characters no? 

And doesn't this then point to the desperate need for CL10 to be opened up with 5* cover rewards to keep all you vets interested?

The 4* covers are super valuable for the 4* farms.  Most high level comp veterans will have a full set of 4* chars ranging from baby champ to max champ.  You have to keep growing these champs to get the better champ drop etc.

every 20 levels is effectively worth 1 5*, 1 lt, 20cp at a minimum.  Each pvp is worth 3 4* covers(assuming you can place).  Each pve is worth 3-4 covers.

even though we use 5* chars.  Winning loads and loads of 4* covers is the best method of ensuring enough resources to continue growing in 5* tier.  All the shield rank 200 players have massive 4* star farms at 320+