Fblthp (PW) Issues [Investigating]

BlessedOne

Issue #1: When Fblthp is in play, either myself or my opponent, the game slows to almost a stop. I had a moment where I thought the game crashed; however, my turn just took a long time to resolve before my opponent got a turn.

Issue #2: Fblthp's second ability does not seem to work. I have seen it work when I first got him. However, I keep using Accidentally Found, but I have not seen any creatures fetched. Maybe I'm using the ability wrong. Before I use it, i make sure there is a spot in my hand... so it cant be that.

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Tremayne

Seems I have experienced something entirely different with mr. F.

BTW - in my match mr. F never did cast anything other than creatures(which was cheap and simple that disabled my creature), yet the game was plagued by extreme slowness, particularly at the end of every turn by mr. F.

However, somehow my PW ability to fetch cards was prevented (and since the creatures only disabled my creatures in play and there were no supports in play by the event or mr. F) I attribute this to Mr. F. I tried to fetch a card with Rals first ability the cards were destroyed but the card fetching did not occur.

BlessedOne

I just played a training grounds (standard). My opponent was Fblthp. 
Fblthp actually use some of his abilities on me.
In particular, Fblthp used his second ability on one of my creatures on the battlefield.
The ability bounced my creature back to my hand, made the graphic as if it were modifying the stats (glowing circle around my card), but the stats did not change. I am pretty sure it was the same creature and not a different fetched creature.

I do not think Fblthp is working correctly.

Tombstone

Thank you for the reports. I'll relay this information to the team for review. 

Please let me know if you encounter any other unusual behaviors that seem related to Fblthp. 

Tombstone

Just to clarify, are you all experiencing the slow down when the Creature Fblthp, the Lost is in play, or does this occur when you or your opponent are using the Planeswalker Fblthp, the Lost ? 

Tremayne

@Tombstone - my slowness was related to the planeswalker and only the planeswalker.

TheDude1

Reposting here now that there is a specific review of Fblthp...

Can you post how the Fblthp card is supposed to work?  It appears as though it's supposed to be:

 "If Fblthp, the Lost is in your library, whenever a player fetches a card, fetch the first instance of Fblthp, the Lost from your library instead."

The existing language on the card isn't completely clear to me, and I can't tell if it's working how it's supposed to.  I've had instances where I fetch Fblthp instead of the cards I intended (Sarkhan3's ultimate fetched two Fblthps), and times where I fetch nothing (Scapeshift fetched nothing despite having a land in my library).

My experience of lag is when the Fblthp card is in someone's library, similar to the delays when Greg has a Vanguard support on the board.  I know it's the card as I've experienced the lag with a non-Fblthp PW that was using the card.

Azerack

I have experienced the slowness issues playing against Fblthp the PW. I am not 100% sure if the CARD was involved, as well.

mayor

Verifying "Fblthp, the Lost" causing extreme slowness at the end of turns if it's present in any player's library. Way more than vanguard supports.

BlessedOne

@Tombstone My report is specifically referring to Fblthp the Planeswalker.

Monkeynutts

I've had this too...My turn run totally fine. My opponent can match and play cards...but at the end the hangs for about 10 second as thought the AI is going through triggers in the software before the end step completes.

bk1234

MOD NOTE - Updated title to indicate PW - bk

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TheDude1

starfall said:

I'm pretty sure the slowdown is to do with the card, because I get the slowdown if *I* play with the card.

How can we know if it definitely isn't to do with the card, because, if it's in Greg's deck, we might never see that it's there during a game?

Bingo.  You can't deduce that it's the PW due to not seeing the card.  But you can deduce it's *not* the PW if you see the card with a non-Fblthp PW, which I and others have.  

As a supporting line of thought, what possible function could make it be the fault of the PW and not the card?  The PW doesn't have any active ability - if it was an issue with the loyalty ability, that would mean the delay is before Greg's action, but the lag I've experienced comes at the end of turn.  On the other hand, the card is programmed to have an effect while just sitting in the library, even with nothing else going on.

There's nothing to suggest the PW is the problem, and a very direct reason to think the card programming is off.  People experiencing the issue with the PW are likely experiencing it with the card sitting somewhere in the library, especially since the card comes standard with the PW purchase.

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TheDude1

Not to put too fine a point on this, but today's Planechase event seems to confirm it's the Fblthp card causing problems:

• I was able to fetch from my own library during the match - in prior matches, I would either fetch Greg's Fblthp card or nothing at all
• I did not experience any lag during the end of Greg's turn

Since this was against a Fblthp PW, it means either:

• The PW was adjusted to fix the issues above, but the Fblthp card was also changed and now does not function correctly (since I was able to fetch from my own deck), and I had the extreme fortune to not see it a single time in play; or
• The Fblthp card was removed from Greg's deck and everything functioned normally in its absence

Occam's Razor says #2.

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