Was this a mistake?

n25philly
n25philly Posts: 426 Mover and Shaker
in MPQ General Discussion
This is one of those things most would notice as if fall under the "why would anyone want to?" category but I noticed yesterday when angel was the featured 3* in Deadpool daily that you can team him up with archangel.  I thought you couldn't team up the same character from different * levels...
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  • qandols
    qandols Posts: 1,173 Chairperson of the Boards
    I had the same thought. Probably an oversight.
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,101 Chairperson of the Boards
    Red Hulk is also an exclusion despite having the name "Hulk" and can be played with other Hulk's whereas Cho Totally Awesome Hulk can't.
  • firethorne
    firethorne Posts: 1,505 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yeah, they really should change that to a less broken system.  Cho is not Banner.  Though, they've know about this for over a year or two and have done nothing, so I wouldn't hold my breath.  
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,388 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2019
    Red Hulk has the name "Red Hulk" as his actual name, so that's how he gets around it - same as She Hulk. The others are "The Hulk (Bruce Banner)," "The Hulk (Indestructible)," "The Hulk (Totally Awesome)," and "The Hulk (Main Event)." It sounds like it is just explicitly comparing the strings of the primary name, no actual lore reason for it. Otherwise Thor (gladiator) could be paired with Thor (jane foster) since they don't share access to Mjolnir. The Ghost Riders have 100% color overlap, so it probably wouldn't be anything you'd want to do mechanically, but they are different hosts with different spirits of vengeance, so there isn't even a lore reason for them not to be playable together.
  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,733 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2019
    Technically, Angel is a time-displaced teenage Worthington who (in the Marvel comics) is allowed to co-exist with the adult version (Archangel) in the canon. 

    So having them on the same team is allowed, while highly questionable as a strategy.

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,580 Chairperson of the Boards
    firethorne said:
    Yeah, they really should change that to a less broken system.  Cho is not Banner.  Though, they've know about this for over a year or two and have done nothing, so I wouldn't hold my breath.  
    At the time Cho was introduced to the game, Banner was not in any way the Hulk - so they saw Cho as a replacement character and that's why they gave him the same name.  The same reason as Jane Foster/Thor - at the time they debuted in the game she replaced the Odinson.
    Circumstances in the comic book have reverted (sadly, they always do,) but it made sense at the time.
  • pheregas
    pheregas Posts: 1,721 Chairperson of the Boards
    GrimSkald said:
    firethorne said:
    Yeah, they really should change that to a less broken system.  Cho is not Banner.  Though, they've know about this for over a year or two and have done nothing, so I wouldn't hold my breath.  
    At the time Cho was introduced to the game, Banner was not in any way the Hulk - so they saw Cho as a replacement character and that's why they gave him the same name.  The same reason as Jane Foster/Thor - at the time they debuted in the game she replaced the Odinson.
    Circumstances in the comic book have reverted (sadly, they always do,) but it made sense at the time.
    They should totally do an Immortal Hulk variant.  That book is awesome.
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,388 Chairperson of the Boards
    I’m still holding out for Joe Fixit grey hulk
  • Malcrof
    Malcrof Posts: 5,971 Chairperson of the Boards
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I’m still holding out for Joe Fixit grey hulk
    Did Erik Larsen ever settle everything with Marvel?
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,101 Chairperson of the Boards
    Malcrof said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I’m still holding out for Joe Fixit grey hulk
    Did Erik Larsen ever settle everything with Marvel?
    What do you mean by that? It was Todd McFarlane and Peter David (then Dale Keown and others) who did the Joe Fixit storyline, am I missing something?
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,388 Chairperson of the Boards
    Not even aware that was a thing.
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,388 Chairperson of the Boards
    Google says that he's back doing some work for Marvel as of this year too, so i guess whatever it was is over?
  • MrEd95
    MrEd95 Posts: 280 Mover and Shaker
    bluewolf said:
    Technically, Angel is a time-displaced teenage Worthington who (in the Marvel comics) is allowed to co-exist with the adult version (Archangel) in the canon. 

    So having them on the same team is allowed, while highly questionable as a strategy.

    Along the same train of thought, I assume that teen Jean is not allowed to play alongside Phoenix, despite being in the same situation as the Angel/Archangel one. I assume bobby and hank would too, if they had their respective younger/older counterparts in game.

    Cyclops already has 2 versions, so a third is just greedy
  • jamesh
    jamesh Posts: 1,600 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2019
    bluewolf said:
    Technically, Angel is a time-displaced teenage Worthington who (in the Marvel comics) is allowed to co-exist with the adult version (Archangel) in the canon. 

    So having them on the same team is allowed, while highly questionable as a strategy.

    Sure, but you can make the same argument about other characters.  Hope and Janet both appeared in MCU films together with no indication that Janet has lost her Wasp powers.  The Blaze and Reyes Ghost Riders have teamed up in comics.  Bruce Banner regained his Hulk powers before Cho switched from Hulk to Brawn.  If you can't play the two Thors together because of Mjolnir, why can you construct a team of three characters all holding Captain America's shield? If you treat it purely as a lore issue, then it's a huge mess.
    The only thing that makes sense is that (a) at a technical level the exclusion system works by matching the character's primary name, and (b) Marvel wanted certain characters to have certain primary names irrespective of how it affects that system.
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,101 Chairperson of the Boards
    jamesh said:
    bluewolf said:
    Technically, Angel is a time-displaced teenage Worthington who (in the Marvel comics) is allowed to co-exist with the adult version (Archangel) in the canon. 

    So having them on the same team is allowed, while highly questionable as a strategy.

    Sure, but you can make the same argument about other characters.  Hope and Janet both appeared in MCU films together with no indication that Janet has lost her Wasp powers.  The Blaze and Reyes Ghost Riders have teamed up in comics.  Bruce Banner regained his Hulk powers before Cho switched from Hulk to Brawn.  If you can't play the two Thors together because of Mjolnir, why can you construct a team of three characters all holding Captain America's shield? If you treat it purely as a lore issue, then it's a huge mess.
    The only thing that makes sense is that (a) at a technical level the exclusion system works by matching the character's primary name, and (b) Marvel wanted certain characters to have certain primary names irrespective of how it affects that system.
    GladiaThor doesn't even have Mjolnir and yet is locked out with Jane...
  • pheregas
    pheregas Posts: 1,721 Chairperson of the Boards
    DAZ0273 said:
    jamesh said:
    bluewolf said:
    Technically, Angel is a time-displaced teenage Worthington who (in the Marvel comics) is allowed to co-exist with the adult version (Archangel) in the canon. 

    So having them on the same team is allowed, while highly questionable as a strategy.

    Sure, but you can make the same argument about other characters.  Hope and Janet both appeared in MCU films together with no indication that Janet has lost her Wasp powers.  The Blaze and Reyes Ghost Riders have teamed up in comics.  Bruce Banner regained his Hulk powers before Cho switched from Hulk to Brawn.  If you can't play the two Thors together because of Mjolnir, why can you construct a team of three characters all holding Captain America's shield? If you treat it purely as a lore issue, then it's a huge mess.
    The only thing that makes sense is that (a) at a technical level the exclusion system works by matching the character's primary name, and (b) Marvel wanted certain characters to have certain primary names irrespective of how it affects that system.
    GladiaThor doesn't even have Mjolnir and yet is locked out with Jane...
    No Mjolnir, no Jane...  ;) 
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,101 Chairperson of the Boards
    pheregas said:
    DAZ0273 said:
    jamesh said:
    bluewolf said:
    Technically, Angel is a time-displaced teenage Worthington who (in the Marvel comics) is allowed to co-exist with the adult version (Archangel) in the canon. 

    So having them on the same team is allowed, while highly questionable as a strategy.

    Sure, but you can make the same argument about other characters.  Hope and Janet both appeared in MCU films together with no indication that Janet has lost her Wasp powers.  The Blaze and Reyes Ghost Riders have teamed up in comics.  Bruce Banner regained his Hulk powers before Cho switched from Hulk to Brawn.  If you can't play the two Thors together because of Mjolnir, why can you construct a team of three characters all holding Captain America's shield? If you treat it purely as a lore issue, then it's a huge mess.
    The only thing that makes sense is that (a) at a technical level the exclusion system works by matching the character's primary name, and (b) Marvel wanted certain characters to have certain primary names irrespective of how it affects that system.
    GladiaThor doesn't even have Mjolnir and yet is locked out with Jane...
    No Mjolnir, no Jane...  ;) 
    She could borrow Stormbreaker!
  • Malcrof
    Malcrof Posts: 5,971 Chairperson of the Boards
    DAZ0273 said:
    pheregas said:
    DAZ0273 said:
    jamesh said:
    bluewolf said:
    Technically, Angel is a time-displaced teenage Worthington who (in the Marvel comics) is allowed to co-exist with the adult version (Archangel) in the canon. 

    So having them on the same team is allowed, while highly questionable as a strategy.

    Sure, but you can make the same argument about other characters.  Hope and Janet both appeared in MCU films together with no indication that Janet has lost her Wasp powers.  The Blaze and Reyes Ghost Riders have teamed up in comics.  Bruce Banner regained his Hulk powers before Cho switched from Hulk to Brawn.  If you can't play the two Thors together because of Mjolnir, why can you construct a team of three characters all holding Captain America's shield? If you treat it purely as a lore issue, then it's a huge mess.
    The only thing that makes sense is that (a) at a technical level the exclusion system works by matching the character's primary name, and (b) Marvel wanted certain characters to have certain primary names irrespective of how it affects that system.
    GladiaThor doesn't even have Mjolnir and yet is locked out with Jane...
    No Mjolnir, no Jane...  ;) 
    She could borrow Stormbreaker!
    The hammer does not automatically make you Thor. You need to be worthy to even wield it, but to harness the power of Thor means you get to rule Asgard, very different things. Steve can wield the hammer, but does not turn into Thor. With Stormbreaker, he is still Odinson, but not technically Thor. Then that all falls apart in secret wars, but hey, comics!
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,101 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2019
    Malcrof said:
    DAZ0273 said:
    pheregas said:
    DAZ0273 said:
    jamesh said:
    bluewolf said:
    Technically, Angel is a time-displaced teenage Worthington who (in the Marvel comics) is allowed to co-exist with the adult version (Archangel) in the canon. 

    So having them on the same team is allowed, while highly questionable as a strategy.

    Sure, but you can make the same argument about other characters.  Hope and Janet both appeared in MCU films together with no indication that Janet has lost her Wasp powers.  The Blaze and Reyes Ghost Riders have teamed up in comics.  Bruce Banner regained his Hulk powers before Cho switched from Hulk to Brawn.  If you can't play the two Thors together because of Mjolnir, why can you construct a team of three characters all holding Captain America's shield? If you treat it purely as a lore issue, then it's a huge mess.
    The only thing that makes sense is that (a) at a technical level the exclusion system works by matching the character's primary name, and (b) Marvel wanted certain characters to have certain primary names irrespective of how it affects that system.
    GladiaThor doesn't even have Mjolnir and yet is locked out with Jane...
    No Mjolnir, no Jane...  ;) 
    She could borrow Stormbreaker!
    The hammer does not automatically make you Thor. You need to be worthy to even wield it, but to harness the power of Thor means you get to rule Asgard, very different things. Steve can wield the hammer, but does not turn into Thor. With Stormbreaker, he is still Odinson, but not technically Thor. Then that all falls apart in secret wars, but hey, comics!
    It was just a joke... :)

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