Afterlife and reinforced deaths

Brakkis
Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
in MtGPQ General Discussion
Afterlife is also nice. However, it's finicky.

If I have a creature in play with Afterlife 1 and it dies, I get 1 token. If I have that same creature in play - but it's reinforced 3 times - and something eats up 2 of those reinforcements, I get 2 tokens.

If something just kills that creature outright with it's 3 reinforcements though? 1 token.

It should give me 4 tokens on death. One for it's initial self, and 1 for each reinforcement.

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  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    I 100% agree with this assessment, and it's a failing I've noticed with the mechanic.
  • Stormcrow
    Stormcrow Posts: 462 Mover and Shaker
    Yep, this is a pretty obvious flaw with the mechanic.
  • NoDogNo
    NoDogNo Posts: 8 Just Dropped In
    Is that a flaw, though, or just a change you think would make the mechanic more useful? It feels to me like it currently mirrors Enrage.
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    NoDogNo said:
    Is that a flaw, though, or just a change you think would make the mechanic more useful? It feels to me like it currently mirrors Enrage.

    It's a flaw. In paper you'd have to kill each creature individually and you'd get a spirit token for each one. In PQ, the creatures all stack so a single kill spell kills them all. You should still get a spirit token for each one.
  • Aeroplane
    Aeroplane Posts: 314 Mover and Shaker
    Unless you use a negative counter as it doesn't come under destroy. I just used it on eldrazi tokens that give mana--no mana for you! neg. counters don't work for destroty creature obj.
  • OmegaLolrus
    OmegaLolrus Posts: 253 Mover and Shaker
    It seems to me that it's the way they intended. I agree they should get Afterlife X per reinforcement, but... *shrugs*
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  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    starfall said:
    Brakkis said:
    NoDogNo said:
    Is that a flaw, though, or just a change you think would make the mechanic more useful? It feels to me like it currently mirrors Enrage.

    It's a flaw. In paper you'd have to kill each creature individually and you'd get a spirit token for each one. In PQ, the creatures all stack so a single kill spell kills them all. You should still get a spirit token for each one.
    Is it a flaw?

    Is it a flaw with the way Dauntless Cathar, Nearheath Chaplain or Vessel of Ephemera works?

    Is it a flaw with the way Doomed Dissenter, or Conclave Cavalier works?

    Is it a flaw in the way Byway Courier, Dire Fleet Hoarder, Exquisite Archangel, Feral Prowler, Festering Mummy, or dozens of other creatures work?

    What about in the way that Murder kills whole stacks and not individual reinforcements? Or how Exquisite Firecraft works?

    Is Afterlife different because it's a keyworded ability? What about Emerge?
    One of the differences now between what people expected from afterlife and many of the cards you listed is that now the game regularly counts reinforcements for the way cards work. So it follows that people might expect that afterlife would count reinforcements. At the time of the Innistrad block, the game never even referenced reinforcements on the card.

    You have a point in that it's functioning like every other similar effect, but it's also fair to see how given the way the game has changed in the two years since SOI came out that the mechanic would have similarly evolved.
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