Voja (Support, Wolf) isn't a wolf?

Mobyslick
Mobyslick Posts: 14 Just Dropped In
in MtGPQ Bugs & Technical Issues
I was playing an event match with one of the bonus goals being "Summon 2 or more Wolves or Werewolves". I threw together a deck based on Chord of Calling and Tolsimir Wolfblood, figuring his Voja support qualifies as a wolf since it actually tells you in the Voja popup that it is a wolf. Well, they don't qualify... so I was unable to meet that goal.

So now it's simply a case of "ohh, they mean creatures only... hmmk I know for next time". But is a Wolf a Wolf or not? Because I think it should be. And I think if you watch the goal to only trigger based on creatures, you need to specify that in the goal description. "Summon 2 or more Wolf or Werewolf Creatures". There's fixed it for ya

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  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Summon already implies creatures. Supports are cast, creatures are summoned. 
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    wereotter said:
    Summon already implies creatures. Supports are cast, creatures are summoned. 
    But doesn't the rare ixalan support quality as vehicle after players basically posted the same thing about it?
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    wereotter said:
    Summon already implies creatures. Supports are cast, creatures are summoned. 
    But doesn't the rare ixalan support quality as vehicle after players basically posted the same thing about it?
    I haven’t noticed.... though it’s also worth considering Voja is a token created by a creature and as such isn’t cast regardless. 
  • Tremayne
    Tremayne Posts: 1,710 Chairperson of the Boards
    Okay, I’ll be the rule lawyer on this and post at length what the rules clearly states on this issue, might even go a little bit beyond the issue at times but everyone will not be in doubt what the rules say.

    here we go.... oooh wait I got nothing.
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  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    starfall said:
    wereotter said:
    Summon already implies creatures. Supports are cast, creatures are summoned. 
    I disagree. It's also important to determine whether supports are cast from hand, or whether they are "summoned" into play (e.g.with Whir of Invention), as for the sake of "Play +/- X Supports" objectives.
    Since you referenced Maro on this. Ask yourself. When was the last time in paper magic you summoned an aura or a mana rock? Or even summoned a token?

    Summon isn’t really used as a term anymore in game, but was used for non-token creatures. Tokens are “created” rather than summoned. 
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