Jexman said: A level 5 three or four times a year would still be more interesting than now.
Oh sure, and that statement isn't really a compliant - I just want to make it clear that the level 5 powers of each support will be probably very rare, even if they do increase their availability. Each Master token gives you a 10% chance to pull a 5th level support, ergo you'll average one of those for every ten master tokens. One or two per year may be more accurate, it depends on how many Master tokens they give out.
I'll also add that I don't think they'll increase the availability of the Infinity Stones, so we can all-but-discount those. Right now there are probably around one to two hundred in the game. That is across all the thousands of players.
broll I don't want 8 layers of RNG. As long as the moves continue to be RNG based I refuse to take them even remotely seriously.
bluewolf said: RE: Supports in PVP....Do you think your available opponents are a mess now? Imagine what things look like if Supports are part of it. Although the potential for trolling is great. Max one of the Supports that fortify tiles all the time and toss it on a defensive troll team. Watch on Line as your opponent's matches drag on. They get hit a bunch of times while waiting for the *&$! match to get over with. Such fun! "Look, I left a grill out. Hee hee hee..."
GrimSkald said: Jexman said: A level 5 three or four times a year would still be more interesting than now. Oh sure, and that statement isn't really a compliant - I just want to make it clear that the level 5 powers of each support will be probably very rare, even if they do increase their availability. Each Master token gives you a 10% chance to pull a 5th level support, ergo you'll average one of those for every ten master tokens. One or two per year may be more accurate, it depends on how many Master tokens they give out.I'll also add that I don't think they'll increase the availability of the Infinity Stones, so we can all-but-discount those. Right now there are probably around one to two hundred in the game. That is across all the thousands of players.
GrimSkald said:I'll also add that I don't think they'll increase the availability of the Infinity Stones, so we can all-but-discount those. Right now there are probably around one to two hundred in the game. That is across all the thousands of players.
bbigler said: broll said: Or veterans finally say I'm done and quit paying and/or playing.Back to the OP. I don't like those at all. One of the major issues I have with supports is the % chance to do anything at all. I want to see them make support bonus to be always on bonus that aren't based on more RNG. Stuff like:- x% damage increase of all moves (or a particular move if tied to the character boost)- x% increase to match damage- Powers for this character cost x less AP- Add's the option to use x move on this character (similar to the Task Master new feature to pick powers or adds a 4th move)I don't want 8 layers of RNG. As long as the moves continue to be RNG based I refuse to take them even remotely seriously. Not all supports are % chance. There are some that increase all damage from powers by X or decrease enemy powers by X, and many, many increase match damage, which is gauranteed. I don't mind luck being a part of a game, I think it makes it more interesting, even though it can be frustrating at times. This isn't chess......it's match-3 gambling. I like the game because the randomness gives me a puzzle to solve. My experience with supports has been this: I bought a HFH offer one day and got a level 4 Vibranium Ore, which I leveled a bit and attached to Strange. It worked great and made a real difference in pve. I kept leveling it to 200 and now it's on Medusa, which adds 709 damage to her CD tile. Now with my Kitty + Grocket + Medusa combo, I use Chimichanga at level 150 and Avengers Tower at level 100 to fortify those Strikes. It's a 35% and 32% chance each turn, but it works! Despite the RNG.
broll said: Or veterans finally say I'm done and quit paying and/or playing.Back to the OP. I don't like those at all. One of the major issues I have with supports is the % chance to do anything at all. I want to see them make support bonus to be always on bonus that aren't based on more RNG. Stuff like:- x% damage increase of all moves (or a particular move if tied to the character boost)- x% increase to match damage- Powers for this character cost x less AP- Add's the option to use x move on this character (similar to the Task Master new feature to pick powers or adds a 4th move)I don't want 8 layers of RNG. As long as the moves continue to be RNG based I refuse to take them even remotely seriously.
broll said: I know they don't all have RNG, but the static ones have static damage rather than a percent based. Meaning they're either going to be way too strong for low level player or way too weak for high level players. They have their %s totally backwards. Example:Proxima Midnight (My highest *, stats based on level 1):Rank 1: Start of match there's a 5.00% chance to create a strength 16 strike tile [RNG & Static Damage]Rank 2: The supported character's base Red match damage is increased by 13. [Static Damage]Rank 3: The supported character's maximum health is increased by 220. [Static Increase]Rank 4: At the start of battle there's a 10.00% chance to gain 3 Red AP [RNG]I don't have any of the newer ones, so from the grayed out section ( Yaro Root - no clue what level they are based on but based on the stats I'm assuming max level and stars)Rank 1: When the supported character is healed they heal an extra 1568 health. [ Static Damage]Rank 3: At the start of battle there's a 80.00% chance to gain 6 Green AP [RNG]Rank 5: The supported character's base Green match damage is increased by 531. [Static Increase]So in those two examples there's not a single one that doesn't have one of the two flaws I mentioned. Looking at the Yaro Root ones (since they seem to be the highest level):Rank 1 - Is 1658 health going to make much a difference on a 5* with ~50k or more health? Maybe but not nearly the impact of that health on a low level champed 3* with ~10k health That's ~7% vs 3% Over double the effectiveness for a lower level player.Rank 3 - I already mentioned my distaste for RNG, but putting that asside 4 out 5 times you'll get 6 Green AP. So you could fire a lower green move instantly and half the time to get megabombs. That's gonna make PvP impossible to predict what's gonna happen unless you take 5 minutes before the match looking at their boosts or a few minutes during looking at if/how their moves are modified. If PvP wasn't speed based sure, but it is for anyone that cares about rank.Rank 5 - See my comment about about how this will be way more effective on the lower the character and way less the higher the character.
spidyjedi84 said: NotBAMF said: More reason to hope that they never add Support features to PVP. Or more reason veterans take Supports as a serious potential game changer that will upset the meta of their favorite new 5-star characters and have to rethink how they play instead of burying their heads in the sand and complaining about a feature of the game they don't like because they can't immediately climb to the top of that roster.
NotBAMF said: More reason to hope that they never add Support features to PVP.
HoundofShadow said: Currently, the odds for Beginner and Advanced Tokens are the same for "Normal" Support Store and "Special" Support Store.However, the odds for Rank 5 supports in Master Token are world apart for both stores.Normal Support Store: 1:10 for Rank 5Special Support Store: 1:27 for Rank 5It's 10% vs 3.7%.
smkspy said: Shield level 10 is suppose to launch sometime in the future. Bet those plans have been drafted too.
The rockett said: smkspy said: Shield level 10 is suppose to launch sometime in the future. Bet those plans have been drafted too. I laughed so hard at this. Wonder if those plan will ever make the light of day.
bbigler said: broll said: I know they don't all have RNG, but the static ones have static damage rather than a percent based. Meaning they're either going to be way too strong for low level player or way too weak for high level players. They have their %s totally backwards. Example:Proxima Midnight (My highest *, stats based on level 1):Rank 1: Start of match there's a 5.00% chance to create a strength 16 strike tile [RNG & Static Damage]Rank 2: The supported character's base Red match damage is increased by 13. [Static Damage]Rank 3: The supported character's maximum health is increased by 220. [Static Increase]Rank 4: At the start of battle there's a 10.00% chance to gain 3 Red AP [RNG]I don't have any of the newer ones, so from the grayed out section ( Yaro Root - no clue what level they are based on but based on the stats I'm assuming max level and stars)Rank 1: When the supported character is healed they heal an extra 1568 health. [ Static Damage]Rank 3: At the start of battle there's a 80.00% chance to gain 6 Green AP [RNG]Rank 5: The supported character's base Green match damage is increased by 531. [Static Increase]So in those two examples there's not a single one that doesn't have one of the two flaws I mentioned. Looking at the Yaro Root ones (since they seem to be the highest level):Rank 1 - Is 1658 health going to make much a difference on a 5* with ~50k or more health? Maybe but not nearly the impact of that health on a low level champed 3* with ~10k health That's ~7% vs 3% Over double the effectiveness for a lower level player.Rank 3 - I already mentioned my distaste for RNG, but putting that asside 4 out 5 times you'll get 6 Green AP. So you could fire a lower green move instantly and half the time to get megabombs. That's gonna make PvP impossible to predict what's gonna happen unless you take 5 minutes before the match looking at their boosts or a few minutes during looking at if/how their moves are modified. If PvP wasn't speed based sure, but it is for anyone that cares about rank.Rank 5 - See my comment about about how this will be way more effective on the lower the character and way less the higher the character. Ok, that's a good point that few people have talked about. First, I agree that some 5* support perks make little difference to 5* champs. Of course, the lower you go in tiers, the bigger the difference. But we don't expect 2* players to get 5* supports. If the acquisition of these different support levels lined up with a player's tier, it would make more sense. Your suggestion of making static changes a percentage instead is not a bad idea. Instead of a support increasing damage by 1000, it could increase it by 50%, for example. Instead of increasing match damage by 500, it could increase it by 100%. Instead of an 80% chance of 6 green, you simply get 4 green instead. This would make supports better, but I would bet the developers wanted some support effects to be random so that when they do go off, you get that happy feeling like winning a scratch-off ticket. I believe that endorphin causing mechanic is fundamental to their game to keep players coming back for more. This is true for their tokens and vaults, plus the luck of the tile drops. As for PVP, there's no reason to complain about something they haven't done. I don't think anyone wants supports enabled for pvp opponents. And BTW, I can play PVP leisurely to get top 25/50 rewards. Speed is only necessary for the top ranks.
Dragon_Nexus said: smkspy said: Shield level 10 is suppose to launch sometime in the future. Bet those plans have been drafted too. Honestly, I imagine it's all but done and sorted math-wise. I imagine it could be launched tomorrow, but the only thing holding it back is the number of players that can go in.Honestly, with my 5* roster I find CL9 to be a struggle at times. I need more higher level 4*s and some more 5* covers (not like that's going to happen) in order to make it more straight forward. CL10 would be dire.I'd actually rather they go back and bump up CL8's rewards just a little bit.
bbigler said: What I meant by this is that when support distribution is improved in the future, then 5* players will likely be the first group to get them to high levels.