Embalm gems are not created when I build over creatures [Investigating]

starfall
starfall Posts: 1,727 Chairperson of the Boards
edited March 2020 in MtGPQ Bugs & Technical Issues
If i have 3 creatures in play, and one of them has Embalm, and I make a 4th creature, building over my earlier Embalm creature, sending it to the graveyard, it's activate gems are not created.

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  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    Replacing creatures does not destroy them, it exiles them (although they don't seem to be exiled either, might be a "removed from game" scenario)

    If you replace a creature that has been reinforced, though, usually the reinforcements go to the graveyard but the base creature does not.  Game has always been like this, it just didn't matter until somewhat recently.
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  • ambrosio191
    ambrosio191 Posts: 327 Mover and Shaker
    Mburn7 said:
    Replacing creatures does not destroy them, it exiles them (although they don't seem to be exiled either, might be a "removed from game" scenario)

    If you replace a creature that has been reinforced, though, usually the reinforcements go to the graveyard but the base creature does not.  Game has always been like this, it just didn't matter until somewhat recently.
    I just tested it because I always thought they got exiled based on how things behaved in the past, but according to the graveyard view replaced creatures do go there, so they should create embalm/eternalized gems but they dont.  I have screenshots but it might be easier to test yourself then me figuring out how to post screenshots.  In the past Ive also noticed replacing a reinforced embalm/eternalized creature did create gems for the reinforcements but not the base creature.
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  • Tremayne
    Tremayne Posts: 1,756 Chairperson of the Boards
    Most likely the function used when replacing a creature does not contain the same code as when it dies. Most likely intentional but not written down, because without written rules it is easier to brush off your comments.
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  • Tremayne
    Tremayne Posts: 1,756 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2019
    I imagine the developers decided that replacing a creature is like unsummoning it rather then killing it, because they couldn’t control the shenanigans with death effects if they made it equal to dying. My snide comment about the lack of clearly defined rules play a big part in my reasoning. They simply do not know how to handle many corner cases, which I think this is.
  • Tombstone
    Tombstone ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 1,208 Chairperson of the Boards
    Hi everyone, I'll go ahead and relay this to the team for review. 
  • Tremayne
    Tremayne Posts: 1,756 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Tombstone - I looked into this page which describes the embalm mechanic (among other things) https://d3go.helpshift.com/a/magic-puzzle-quest/?s=gameplay-questions---general&f=mtgpq-abilities-gallery&p=all

    There is no mention of the rule for replacing a creature either with embalm or not.

    Where do replaced creatures go, what happens to reinforced creatures, what about reinforcements bases upon copied creatures and I could go on and on.

    How does the team ensure consistency on decisions made over time?
  • jtwood
    jtwood Posts: 1,285 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2019
    Tremayne said:

    How does the team ensure consistency on decisions made over time?
    Don't get me wrong... I want this to be a thing. But it seems that QA has been sacrificed to keep operations lean.

  • Tremayne
    Tremayne Posts: 1,756 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sorry, which lean operations?
  • rafalele
    rafalele Posts: 876 Critical Contributor
    When I replace one creature it does not count as destroyed either. It is good for some objectives and bad for others.

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