Primeval's Glorious Rebirth = broken

EvilDead

Prior to casting Primeval's Glorious Rebirth, Gisa and Geralf had been played and killed. Josu had beeen played once and killed. I might have cast an Eldest Reborn in there too but that would be at most 8 Legendary creatures. Even at that rate the Glorious Rebirth seems a little overpowered to say the least but the end result is listed below.

At the end of the turn, Gisa and Geralf has 19 copies on the board Josu Vess has 17 copies on the board so he spawned 107 Josu's Zombies.

So 160/160 Gisa 
      108/126 Josu's 
      216/216 Josu's Zombies

It's almost like returning Gisa from the graveyard is adding to the end of the graveyard at the same time the AI is still working it's way through the graveyard or something so it gets more cards added as it goes to send to the board. Not sure but I'm sure you can figure out a way to replicate it.

EvilDead

Saw this again over the weekend. Only one Gisa in the Graveyard this time so that put 4 unknown creatures in the graveyard. Once again, Primeval's Glorious Rebirth put around 15 copies of Gisa on the Board and a similar number of Josu as well. At most only 5 creatures could have been moved from the graveyard.

I quit before I watched the whole thing go down. Something is broken with Primeval's Glorious Rebirth I would say.......

nerdstrap

It does and its amazing. However, it wont return anything the newly played Gisas put in the graveyard. I play Gisa Rebirth in TotP every other day and it doesn't go infinite that easily. I do have 3 creatures in my deck, so maybe its different with only 2 creatures...

My degenerate deck has Zacama and Samut so that returned Zacamas convert gems and cast more cards and Rebirths and Samut to give it all haste so that it instantly wins.

IM_CARLOS

You don't need GnG for silly stuff. Even possible in standard with Lily4 (first ability) or Vraska with the green self-dicard stuff.

Put im living dead and you got a solid build. 

EvilDead

It's not about a solid build. It's the fact that Glorious Rebirth is moving creatures to the battlefield that were not in the graveyard when the card was cast. Gisa is adding to the graveyard as it's moved to the battlefield and as the graveyard grows, more creatures than should have been in there when it was cast are being moved to the battlefield. 

If Gisa had died say 4 or 5 times then there would be a metric ton to move to the battlefield which is still a bit overpowered. However, this is happening because Glorious Rebirth is grabbing newly destroyed creatures from the graveyard to the battlefield when it should only be able to move what was in the graveyard when it was cast.

EvilDead

I just quit out of yet another seemingly endless loop. 200+/200+ creatures again with no stop in site. Same combo with Gisa and Primeval.

Primeval's Glorious Rebirth should not grab creatures from the graveyard that were not in the graveyard when the card was cast. It is really ridiculous.

Gunmix25

it isn't endless. I have been using this combo for months and by no means is it broken. it requires a specific series of cards and actions to trigger a large drop and a ton of patience because it rarely ends less than 10 minutes. I've lost using it in Totp multiple times because I couldn't set up fast enough. So I have reverted to a much more reliable combo that makes this look like a joke. Trostani and N4 with 4 other key cards can build to 800+ in one turn.

meaning that the combo involving that card is over powered... not the card itself. In any other situation the card is easy to deal with. Because if you feel that Primeval is broken... then so is Josu and Gisa by default.

Mburn7

Gunmix25 said:

it isn't endless. I have been using this combo for months and by no means is it broken. it requires a specific series of cards and actions to trigger a large drop and a ton of patience because it rarely ends less than 10 minutes. I've lost using it in Totp multiple times because I couldn't set up fast enough. So I have reverted to a much more reliable combo that makes this look like a joke. Trostani and N4 with 4 other key cards can build to 800+ in one turn.

meaning that the combo involving that card is over powered... not the card itself. In any other situation the card is easy to deal with. Because if you feel that Primeval is broken... then so is Josu and Gisa by default.

While I agree with everything you said, I believe in this case "broken" means "not working properly" and not "overpowered" since the card should not be fetching creatures put in the graveyard after it is cast.

Don't you just love the ambiguity of the English language and slang terms?

Gunmix25

Mburn7 said:

Gunmix25 said:

it isn't endless. I have been using this combo for months and by no means is it broken. it requires a specific series of cards and actions to trigger a large drop and a ton of patience because it rarely ends less than 10 minutes. I've lost using it in Totp multiple times because I couldn't set up fast enough. So I have reverted to a much more reliable combo that makes this look like a joke. Trostani and N4 with 4 other key cards can build to 800+ in one turn.

meaning that the combo involving that card is over powered... not the card itself. In any other situation the card is easy to deal with. Because if you feel that Primeval is broken... then so is Josu and Gisa by default.

While I agree with everything you said, I believe in this case "broken" means "not working properly" and not "overpowered" since the card should not be fetching creatures put in the graveyard after it is cast.

Don't you just love the ambiguity of the English language and slang terms?

Broken, Schmoken.  

Don't be dissin' my slang. 

Lol! 
Merry Christmas, my good friend.