I'm out.
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The big takeaway here is that this wasn't a rage quit, an rng is the worst, etc., it was just apathy. The way the 5* game is these days, it's just very slow progress no matter which path you take, and after a few years of grinding away, it's not surprising to see it takes its toll.
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I can understand the frustration. I went three 5* vaults in a row without drawing the new character only then to obtain from an LT but too late for their Essential. Thankfully the streak broke with Loki but all that CP spent that took weeks to obtain.
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I feel ya Jarvind. I may be close behind you... the game is stale. I appreciate the QoL changes. Maybe I just appreciate the effort, something I feel is lacking most days.
There lies the problem I think. You eventually get to a point where you are required to pump hours of effort into the game if you want good rewards, when it feels like many people in charge have gone into autopilot. The return starts to feel small for the effort required... whether you have all the 5s champed and you don’t know what’s left to chase, or you are trying to champ 5s but just can’t acquire them fast enough (or at all)... or you are in the 4* tier and they keep releasing new ones (pretty poor characters, at that) to make the carrot move further away.
I dont know the solution. I fell in love with this game, but it feels generally the same as it did back then. I know it’s not really the same, but it feels that way. The biggest QoL changes don’t impact me much because I’m sort of past the place where they help me. But I’m not in a place where I can’t be helped... they just don’t/can’t/won’t. I need more 5s, but they have made it pretty impossible to cover classics. It’s not going to change, so I’m left wondering what the point is. How can there be any asset in the game that has become unobtainable to those who may have missed the precious window? Doesn’t that hurt the game where some people have things (most happen to be due to timing... I was very new to the game when 5s became a thing) that others truly can’t get anymore? In all honesty, I’m not even mad, just sorta bored.9 -
I got 2 5*s out of two pulls. The odds are what they are...0
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This guy gets it. I'm not quitting because of a bad streak. It was just the thing that made me realize I wasn't having fun anymore. I've always commented on people's "I'm burned out, what do?" threads that if you aren't having fun you should just quit, so I'm taking my own advice.crackninja said:The big takeaway here is that this wasn't a rage quit, an rng is the worst, etc., it was just apathy. The way the 5* game is these days, it's just very slow progress no matter which path you take, and after a few years of grinding away, it's not surprising to see it takes its toll.
Thanks for all the well-wishes.18 -
I've been keeping a log of my LT draws since the end of February in 2016 when someone decided to collect statistical data on them. I liked the idea of a log, since it gives data that can be looked at in a lot more ways than just tracking the raw numbers. I just did a scan of my log, and I can see that at least 12 times I went over 20 draws without drawing a 5*, including 5 times I went 28 draws or more without drawing a purple. My longest bad streak was 51, though I'll hasten to add this was a pretty serious outlier as the three below it were two 32s and a 31. Worse, this bulk of the worst streak were "Alias Investigations" tokens - I liked JJ, I wanted more GG (I've had him at six covers,) and I didn't mind more BP champ levels. I drew one JJ and BP early on, then came on that streak. I went in hoping to get 2-3 of each, and ended up with just 2. I was livid for several days - I did not get a single Goblin.
The flip side of that is that my overall % of 5* since the change in odds is actually 14.97%. That's actually slightly high as it includes 21 of the old Event tokens with one 5* at 10% -- according to my extrapolation I "should" have drawn 334.7 5* and have drawn 337. That number does fluctuate - I've been as much as 7 or 8 on either side of that equation.
Back around to the negative - I will definitely say my darkest thoughts are always in those streaks. They feel terrible, like I'm never going to see a 5* again and I'm going to be hopelessly left behind by the meta. The only beacon of light in these streaks is the fact that I can see my raw numbers and I intellectually know that these things happen and are in the long run balanced out. To be honest, this is exactly why I keep track of these things -- so I have proof that it's just bad luck and I'm not being screwed overall. Or, if I actually am being screwed, I have evidence.
I really do think they should put in a "streak breaker" somewhere between 10-15 4* pulls. They pre-generate the numbers, so I'm sure they can do this. It will slightly adjust the odds of the 5*s, but I suspect it won't be substantial enough to really impact the game negatively. Despite the fact that the game is, overall, relatively fair, the perception of unfairness can get very, very strong.
Take this for what it's worth. I enjoy this game and think it delivers a good experience, but even though the perception of unfairness is probably quite a bit stronger than it really is, they should address it anyway.
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I often wonder about the special 5 vaults, they are always really bad for me. Its to the point I didn't even worry about it this time.0
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Hi all, here I am as a reminder of that I am still watching you.
This is also why I quit back in February. Depressed over not being able to cover my 5* heroes despite playing way too much and paying way too much - just took out its right. Soon half a year MPQ sober.0 -
Lurking at the MPQ forum is kind of like staying sober but an occasional beer won't hurt me approachmexus said:Hi all, here I am as a reminder of that I am still watching you.
This is also why I quit back in February. Depressed over not being able to cover my 5* heroes despite playing way too much and paying way too much - just took out its right. Soon half a year MPQ sober.
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Magic said:
Lurking at the MPQ forum is kind of like staying sober but an occasional beer won't hurt me approachmexus said:Hi all, here I am as a reminder of that I am still watching you.
This is also why I quit back in February. Depressed over not being able to cover my 5* heroes despite playing way too much and paying way too much - just took out its right. Soon half a year MPQ sober.
I think lurking in the MPQ forum is like staying sober but still hanging out with your alcoholic friends.13 -
It was the straw that broke the camels back. I wish you well Jarvind and I warn you not to come back. Stay away and enjoy life a little more. BTW, where is your guide to the 4* tier. I would like to see the latest rankings and playing tips.
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I personally feel that if you aren't having fun with a leisure activity you should walk away and find something that you will enjoy.
It seems to me that your 4* guide was a labor of love, thanks for that, I really enjoyed reading it/using it.
Hope you find something new and fun out there.
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Sorry to see you go, you've done a lot on here. Wish you the best.
How this game doesn't have a "safety net" for really **** runs of consecutive no 5-Star pulls hat guarantees a 5-
Star is beyond me. Many other gatcha games out there do this.
It's simple = After 9 Legendary tier tokens (Classic, Latest, 5-Star release, etc) opened in a row that is not a 5-Star, the 10th one is guaranteed to be a 5-Star. If a 5-Star is pulled in any token between 1 - 9, the number resets to 1.
This single issue alone has cost this game countless players...3 -
The problem with bad runs is that it is the worst with these special vaults.
Regular latest legends are pre determined so if you get a large patch without 5* eventually you will get more 5* to balance out.
With a special vault you just pull whatever CP you have and if you get unlucky you are just screwed and have no way to save up more CP to try again later. It's a much bigger gamble than waiting for the new character to join Latest Legends.
I track my pulls and have had some 50+ only 4* pulls but i've had like 7 or 8 5* in a row. In the end it balances out but you need larger and larger hoards to ensure you get covered well.1 -
My understanding was that the sequence/coding or whatever you want to call it resets each time a new 5* enters Latest. So just because you ran at 9% over 4-500 pulls during one period, it doesn't mean the difference will be made up for a later trio.nigelregal said:The problem with bad runs is that it is the worst with these special vaults.
Regular latest legends are pre determined so if you get a large patch without 5* eventually you will get more 5* to balance out.
With a special vault you just pull whatever CP you have and if you get unlucky you are just screwed and have no way to save up more CP to try again later. It's a much bigger gamble than waiting for the new character to join Latest Legends.
I track my pulls and have had some 50+ only 4* pulls but i've had like 7 or 8 5* in a row. In the end it balances out but you need larger and larger hoards to ensure you get covered well.
Hopefully I'm wrong on that because if so I'm still owed a ton of 5* pulls from Latest packs (and for the record I'm yet to hit 15% on any set of Latest since my bad run, although I have managed 2/3 on both the Wasp and Loki release tokens).
To the OP, hope you enjoy the free time opened up by the MPQ void. It's only when you stop playing you realise quite how much time you really spent on the game and wonder how you ever managed to fit it into your schedule!0 -
GrimSkald said:
I've been keeping a log of my LT draws since the end of February in 2016 when someone decided to collect statistical data on them. I liked the idea of a log, since it gives data that can be looked at in a lot more ways than just tracking the raw numbers. I just did a scan of my log, and I can see that at least 12 times I went over 20 draws without drawing a 5*, including 5 times I went 28 draws or more without drawing a purple. My longest bad streak was 51, though I'll hasten to add this was a pretty serious outlier as the three below it were two 32s and a 31. Worse, this bulk of the worst streak were "Alias Investigations" tokens - I liked JJ, I wanted more GG (I've had him at six covers,) and I didn't mind more BP champ levels. I drew one JJ and BP early on, then came on that streak. I went in hoping to get 2-3 of each, and ended up with just 2. I was livid for several days - I did not get a single Goblin.
The flip side of that is that my overall % of 5* since the change in odds is actually 14.97%. That's actually slightly high as it includes 21 of the old Event tokens with one 5* at 10% -- according to my extrapolation I "should" have drawn 334.7 5* and have drawn 337. That number does fluctuate - I've been as much as 7 or 8 on either side of that equation.
Back around to the negative - I will definitely say my darkest thoughts are always in those streaks. They feel terrible, like I'm never going to see a 5* again and I'm going to be hopelessly left behind by the meta. The only beacon of light in these streaks is the fact that I can see my raw numbers and I intellectually know that these things happen and are in the long run balanced out. To be honest, this is exactly why I keep track of these things -- so I have proof that it's just bad luck and I'm not being screwed overall. Or, if I actually am being screwed, I have evidence.
I really do think they should put in a "streak breaker" somewhere between 10-15 4* pulls. They pre-generate the numbers, so I'm sure they can do this. It will slightly adjust the odds of the 5*s, but I suspect it won't be substantial enough to really impact the game negatively. Despite the fact that the game is, overall, relatively fair, the perception of unfairness can get very, very strong.
Take this for what it's worth. I enjoy this game and think it delivers a good experience, but even though the perception of unfairness is probably quite a bit stronger than it really is, they should address it anyway.
GrimSkald said:I've been keeping a log of my LT draws since the end of February in 2016 when someone decided to collect statistical data on them. I liked the idea of a log, since it gives data that can be looked at in a lot more ways than just tracking the raw numbers. I just did a scan of my log, and I can see that at least 12 times I went over 20 draws without drawing a 5*, including 5 times I went 28 draws or more without drawing a purple. My longest bad streak was 51, though I'll hasten to add this was a pretty serious outlier as the three below it were two 32s and a 31. Worse, this bulk of the worst streak were "Alias Investigations" tokens - I liked JJ, I wanted more GG (I've had him at six covers,) and I didn't mind more BP champ levels. I drew one JJ and BP early on, then came on that streak. I went in hoping to get 2-3 of each, and ended up with just 2. I was livid for several days - I did not get a single Goblin.
The flip side of that is that my overall % of 5* since the change in odds is actually 14.97%. That's actually slightly high as it includes 21 of the old Event tokens with one 5* at 10% -- according to my extrapolation I "should" have drawn 334.7 5* and have drawn 337. That number does fluctuate - I've been as much as 7 or 8 on either side of that equation.
Back around to the negative - I will definitely say my darkest thoughts are always in those streaks. They feel terrible, like I'm never going to see a 5* again and I'm going to be hopelessly left behind by the meta. The only beacon of light in these streaks is the fact that I can see my raw numbers and I intellectually know that these things happen and are in the long run balanced out. To be honest, this is exactly why I keep track of these things -- so I have proof that it's just bad luck and I'm not being screwed overall. Or, if I actually am being screwed, I have evidence.
I really do think they should put in a "streak breaker" somewhere between 10-15 4* pulls. They pre-generate the numbers, so I'm sure they can do this. It will slightly adjust the odds of the 5*s, but I suspect it won't be substantial enough to really impact the game negatively. Despite the fact that the game is, overall, relatively fair, the perception of unfairness can get very, very strong.
Take this for what it's worth. I enjoy this game and think it delivers a good experience, but even though the perception of unfairness is probably quite a bit stronger than it really is, they should address it anyway.
Very good post. The prolonged streaks are definitely when I’ve been most frustrated with the game. It’s totally demoralizing. A solution that would remove frustration would be to implement a mechanic that allows players to pick a 5* cover and color after 20 straight 4* pulls (cover specific to vault pulling from). People would be rooting for 20 straight dead pulls once they got into the early teens. 0/20 should occur less than 4% of the time, so not like this would be occurring often enough to affect much beyond morale (positively).7 -
I'm adding my voice to the chorus thanking Jarvind for his input, particularly for his 4* Guide which has the all-too-rare properties of being packed with knowledge, humour & readability - if only more things in this world were like it! Many thanks and best wishes Jarvind.
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Haha!Magic said:
Lurking at the MPQ forum is kind of like staying sober but an occasional beer won't hurt me approachmexus said:Hi all, here I am as a reminder of that I am still watching you.
This is also why I quit back in February. Depressed over not being able to cover my 5* heroes despite playing way too much and paying way too much - just took out its right. Soon half a year MPQ sober.
I stalk in here weekly since MPQ was such a big part of my everyday life for a long while. It's also a fun community to spectate. My "new game" doesn't have quite the same community feeling yet.0 -
I feel the pain. I left back when OML was the one to have. Took me a couple of years to get him and JG to 420 and then ended up quitting about 3 years ago since the game lost its luster to me.
I'm now back again, casually playing but it's now a bit more fun (believe it or not). Though I cannot play any PVP due to the smack down I'd get from my lack of roster, PVE is my only option. I play an hour or so a day and it keeps me entertained, yet I don't feel that need to compete in every single event.
Since I'm aware that the way the matching is currently at, I cannot compete in PVP, I take whatever PVE gives me. A few members gave me some tips since I missed a lot the last 3 years and thanks to them, I kind of enjoy the game now.
Maybe those that burn out and quit can one day get to that point of returning just to randomly play instead of feeling that they need all the covers.
Best of luck and hope to see you again.3 -
Biggest possible burn out factor for me, besides the five star tier transition being unduly hard, is simply the lack of new content.
Vets can only play the same pves, LRs, BEs, and PvPs so long before they get to a point where the game is more habit than fun. 4 star PvP is good, but it's just a small consession when compared to the mountain of same ole same ole week-in and week-out.
And with the removal of so many pves over the past two years, the overly recycled content quickly becomes apparent to even new players.3
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