The Stubborn "Non-existent" Team Member That Hates Legacy

khurram

I thought you guys had said good-bye to that member of the oktagon team? Obviously not though, Ixalan was quite a while ago now and there is still no love for legacy events.

Unless you've given up on legacy as a graveyard where broken cards are sent to die. 

Mburn7

Seriously, we need more legacy events.  I have so many fun cards and decks I never get to play with anymore.

FindingHeart8

R.I.P. fun cards...have fun in legacy where you'll never see the light of day except for ToTp/TG

__Adam

Legacy is a dumpster fire and deserves absolutely zero dev resources. I've won legacy games in 1 turn; my opponent literally never got to play. I bet facing my decks is hella fun for n00bs!

Sure, run some legacy events so those cards aren't entirely worthless, but for the love of god, don't put any meaningful resources into that trash heap.

(and yes, I have olivia, pig, omni, gatewatch, etc. Powerful? Yes. Fun? No.)

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khurram

Every new set eventually moves to legacy, that's akin to saying that every card in the game is destined for the trash heap and deserves zero Dev resources. We should just give up on this game then and move on.

Also whenever someone says legacy, someone else gives a knee jerk response of, "olivia, pig etc duh!". Those are not the only cards in legacy. It's a perception that legacy is defined by just those cards but I encounter less and less people playing those. I play TG daily and TotP most days of the week. Maybe some people assume that just because they would auto include those cards in their decks so everyone else would too. That is not the case.

Not that there is something wrong with wanting to use those cards if you have them on your disposal. People who dismiss those cards as not fun must have forgotten when they initially got them.

Anyway, this is a card game and since a huge chunk of those cards seem to be just gathering dust when they are added to legacy I think it's definitely worth the investment if devs keep legacy in mind. They do not have to overhaul it overnight. Even rebalancing just a couple of cards with each update, introducing even one legacy event every few months would go a long way. And when I say rebalance I don't just mean the nerf hammers. There are a good number of rares and mythics in legacy that almost never saw play. So whenever they balance some OP cards they can also give some love to some underpowered cards.

HarryMason

I feel like the point here is that some people do like legacy, in spite of others feeling it's a dumpster fire. Legacy does need some love, so as not to alienate players. I like both formats . I prefer standard due to the slightly larger variety of decks faced, but smashing Greg's face in on the first turn is fun, too . I really think people just need to lighten up and stop being the fun police . There's room for everybody to have fun, not just you. 

babar3355

I remember when they decided to add legacy to ROTGP and the forums went absolutely bananas.  

Anyway, we just need more content.  Takes me less than an hour to clear daily content and another 20 minutes to beat these history events..   Bored most of the time.

Brakkis

I hate Legacy and I hate facing crazy broken Legacy decks.

I still think we need more content to play and that includes Legacy events.

DBJones

Having a few low level Planeswalkers with cycling decks makes Legacy much more palatable. I usually join late and just run all the nodes for progression, getting perfect or close to it from just one full set of charges on every node (15 battles usually) means I'm often in the top 25 for a rare in Gold tier. If they fix the way brackets work, hopefully they also make Legacy placement rewards worthwhile. The guaranteed rare is nice, more packs would be worth playing from the start in my opinion.

Mburn7

I don't understand all the hate for legacy.  For me, its just a chance to dust off my old combo decks and let them run free again.  The matches are usually quicker, and the constant stream of Olivias and Pigs just makes the game actually challenging for once.  (Note:  I do not have a Pig or Olivia or Ulrich).  Sure, a stupid cascade will hurt a lot, but there's almost always a way to recover.

I don't understand why anyone would every cycle for any event ever again, since Legacy events don't have that same pressure to be perfect that Standard events do, and cycling is boring as heck.

I want more legacy events because my Drowner of Hope is bored, and my Emrakul wants to come out and play.  Please let my Emrakul come out and play.  She's so lonely.

FindingHeart8

Mburn7 said:

I want more legacy events because my Drowner of Hope is bored, and my Emrakul wants to come out and play.  Please let my Emrakul come out and play.  She's so lonely.

FindingHeart8

__Adam said:

Legacy is a dumpster fire and deserves absolutely zero dev resources. I've won legacy games in 1 turn; my opponent literally never got to play. I bet facing my decks is hella fun for n00bs!

Sure, run some legacy events so those cards aren't entirely worthless, but for the love of god, don't put any meaningful resources into that trash heap.

(and yes, I have olivia, pig, omni, gatewatch, etc. Powerful? Yes. Fun? No.)

If you're opposed to winning with your powerful cards, then don't play with them.  Seriously, you have that option if you want a more challenging experience.

New players will never lose turn 1 to your deck.  AI prioritization favors casting the heavy cost creatures in your deck that would be summoned via Gatewatch, over casting Gatewatch itself.

The earliest I've ever lost was turn 3 to an Omniloop deck.  And as you can see from the current elite packs, Omniscience is still in standard.

Mburn7

__Adam said:

Legacy is a dumpster fire and deserves absolutely zero dev resources. I've won legacy games in 1 turn; my opponent literally never got to play. I bet facing my decks is hella fun for n00bs!

Sure, run some legacy events so those cards aren't entirely worthless, but for the love of god, don't put any meaningful resources into that trash heap.

(and yes, I have olivia, pig, omni, gatewatch, etc. Powerful? Yes. Fun? No.)

If it isn't fun for you to play those cards, then don't.  Nobody is forcing you to win turn 1 (although I don't understand how that isn't fun, but different tastes I guess).

There are people in my coalition who get perfect scores on Nodes of Power using Pauper decks (all commons and uncommons).  Maybe that'll be more fun for you.  I personally like to use Standard decks in Legacy events just for the added challenge.  Maybe that's what you need?

I hate when people say stuff like this, though, because it is taking an extremely personal view and assuming everyone else feels the same way, and it assumes that that is the only possible way to play.  If you don't have fun abusing your broken toys (which is perfectly ok), then don't use them.  But don't stop me from playing with mine.

DumasAG

FindingHeart8 said:

__Adam said:

Legacy is a dumpster fire and deserves absolutely zero dev resources. I've won legacy games in 1 turn; my opponent literally never got to play. I bet facing my decks is hella fun for n00bs!

Sure, run some legacy events so those cards aren't entirely worthless, but for the love of god, don't put any meaningful resources into that trash heap.

(and yes, I have olivia, pig, omni, gatewatch, etc. Powerful? Yes. Fun? No.)

If you're opposed to winning with your powerful cards, then don't play with them.  Seriously, you have that option if you want a more challenging experience.

New players will never lose turn 1 to your deck.  AI prioritization favors casting the heavy cost creatures in your deck that would be summoned via Gatewatch, over casting Gatewatch itself.

The earliest I've ever lost was turn 3 to an Omniloop deck.  And as you can see from the current elite packs, Omniscience is still in standard.

I mean, I've lost turn 1 to a massive cascade from the AI into HUF Deploy. But I agree, you can always just play whatever. I don't spend crystals or runes on extra deck slots, because I don't believe I should have to pay for an extra deck slot. And I can't be bothered making new decks for legacy events. So I usually just run my standard decks and still win almost every game.

FindingHeart8

DumasAG said:

FindingHeart8 said:

__Adam said:

Legacy is a dumpster fire and deserves absolutely zero dev resources. I've won legacy games in 1 turn; my opponent literally never got to play. I bet facing my decks is hella fun for n00bs!

Sure, run some legacy events so those cards aren't entirely worthless, but for the love of god, don't put any meaningful resources into that trash heap.

(and yes, I have olivia, pig, omni, gatewatch, etc. Powerful? Yes. Fun? No.)

If you're opposed to winning with your powerful cards, then don't play with them.  Seriously, you have that option if you want a more challenging experience.

New players will never lose turn 1 to your deck.  AI prioritization favors casting the heavy cost creatures in your deck that would be summoned via Gatewatch, over casting Gatewatch itself.

The earliest I've ever lost was turn 3 to an Omniloop deck.  And as you can see from the current elite packs, Omniscience is still in standard.

I mean, I've lost turn 1 to a massive cascade from the AI into HUF Deploy. But I agree, you can always just play whatever. I don't spend crystals or runes on extra deck slots, because I don't believe I should have to pay for an extra deck slot. And I can't be bothered making new decks for legacy events. So I usually just run my standard decks and still win almost every game.

that's fair.  In my experiences though, when the AI cascades into 50+ mana turn 1...it's pretty difficult to make a comeback if they have a good deck

DumasAG

FindingHeart8 said:

DumasAG said:

FindingHeart8 said:

__Adam said:

Legacy is a dumpster fire and deserves absolutely zero dev resources. I've won legacy games in 1 turn; my opponent literally never got to play. I bet facing my decks is hella fun for n00bs!

Sure, run some legacy events so those cards aren't entirely worthless, but for the love of god, don't put any meaningful resources into that trash heap.

(and yes, I have olivia, pig, omni, gatewatch, etc. Powerful? Yes. Fun? No.)

If you're opposed to winning with your powerful cards, then don't play with them.  Seriously, you have that option if you want a more challenging experience.

New players will never lose turn 1 to your deck.  AI prioritization favors casting the heavy cost creatures in your deck that would be summoned via Gatewatch, over casting Gatewatch itself.

The earliest I've ever lost was turn 3 to an Omniloop deck.  And as you can see from the current elite packs, Omniscience is still in standard.

I mean, I've lost turn 1 to a massive cascade from the AI into HUF Deploy. But I agree, you can always just play whatever. I don't spend crystals or runes on extra deck slots, because I don't believe I should have to pay for an extra deck slot. And I can't be bothered making new decks for legacy events. So I usually just run my standard decks and still win almost every game.

that's fair.  In my experiences though, when the AI cascades into 50+ mana turn 1...it's pretty difficult to make a comeback if they have a good deck

Oh agreed, I'm just saying that you definitely_can_lose turn one.

FindingHeart8

DumasAG said:

FindingHeart8 said:

DumasAG said:

FindingHeart8 said:

__Adam said:

Legacy is a dumpster fire and deserves absolutely zero dev resources. I've won legacy games in 1 turn; my opponent literally never got to play. I bet facing my decks is hella fun for n00bs!

Sure, run some legacy events so those cards aren't entirely worthless, but for the love of god, don't put any meaningful resources into that trash heap.

(and yes, I have olivia, pig, omni, gatewatch, etc. Powerful? Yes. Fun? No.)

If you're opposed to winning with your powerful cards, then don't play with them.  Seriously, you have that option if you want a more challenging experience.

New players will never lose turn 1 to your deck.  AI prioritization favors casting the heavy cost creatures in your deck that would be summoned via Gatewatch, over casting Gatewatch itself.

The earliest I've ever lost was turn 3 to an Omniloop deck.  And as you can see from the current elite packs, Omniscience is still in standard.

I mean, I've lost turn 1 to a massive cascade from the AI into HUF Deploy. But I agree, you can always just play whatever. I don't spend crystals or runes on extra deck slots, because I don't believe I should have to pay for an extra deck slot. And I can't be bothered making new decks for legacy events. So I usually just run my standard decks and still win almost every game.

that's fair.  In my experiences though, when the AI cascades into 50+ mana turn 1...it's pretty difficult to make a comeback if they have a good deck

Oh agreed, I'm just saying that you definitely_can_lose turn one.

I gotcha, and here I thought I had bad luck lol