Will the Old Masterpieces ever be acquirable?

FindingHeart8

So with all mythic+ packs guaranteeing a nondupe, I presume that means standard masterpieces are easy to acquire now (and here I felt so special for having the Grixis-triad rainbow of Kamigawa dragons + Dominaria Flash, that I guess everyone will have soon enough now *sigh*).

Anyways: When are we going to see access to the old masterpieces?  I want Kaladesh's Platinum Angel wielding the OP Sword of Fire and Ice, cast for free via Amonkhet's Dark Ritual.  With the current changes, and these cards not being acquirable via booster crafting, it seems a bit unfair to have a handful of super powerful cards that at this point are literally impossible to obtain.

What're your thoughts on the matter?

Mburn7

I mean, legacy Elite packs would be nice from a completionist perspective, but not super useful.  Pinks take a bit to obtain, why would I spend them on cards I can't use anymore instead of ones I can?

FindingHeart8

Mburn7 said:

I mean, legacy Elite packs would be nice from a completionist perspective, but not super useful.  Pinks take a bit to obtain, why would I spend them on cards I can't use anymore instead of ones I can?

I follow what you're saying.  I would think (because of legacy cards having considerably less use than standard) that the cards would either be added into the legacy bulk, or be a separate more-orb-expensive legacy option.  Maybe they could name it "Ye 'Ol Vault"

DBJones

I wouldn't be using this anytime soon, but I'd love if they had a legacy elite pack in the vault to go with the standard one. Also, I think they should rotate through older standard sets more often, we've had all Dominaria since it was released, as far as I know. Admittedly, I might have missed a rotation.

Enygma6

At least with the Legacy sets there’s a (very) remote chance of pulling a Masterpiece from a booster pack.  XLN and RIX are totally locked out, and their MPs can only be pulled from Elite packs.

FindingHeart8

Enygma6 said:

At least with the Legacy sets there’s a (very) remote chance of pulling a Masterpiece from a booster pack.  XLN and RIX are totally locked out, and their MPs can only be pulled from Elite packs.

I played through all the legacy sets and I never got a single masterpiece until Rivals, and they aren't offered in elite packs anymore.

As soon as Ixalan or Rivals rotates in, it'll be super easy to get all the masterpieces once you've gathered enough crystals.

Enygma6

It’s not about completing a collection, but having the opportunity to stumble upon an unexpected bonus.
It may be extremely small of a chance, but there is a chance of catching an MP in the wild from the other sets without having to wait for it to rotate in on the Elite Collection.  But NOT for XLN/RIX.  That’s my point.  
I have had the fortune of catching 2 this way (1 KLD and 1 DOM), but I absolutely canNOT get one from the Ixalan block through this method no matter how many non-Elite packs I open.

FindingHeart8

Enygma6 said:

It’s not about completing a collection, but having the opportunity to stumble upon an unexpected bonus.
It may be extremely small of a chance, but there is a chance of catching an MP in the wild from the other sets without having to wait for it to rotate in on the Elite Collection.  But NOT for XLN/RIX.  That’s my point.  
I have had the fortune of catching 2 this way (1 KLD and 1 DOM), but I absolutely canNOT get one from the Ixalan block through this method no matter how many non-Elite packs I open.

I'm not really a collector, I just want the cool masterpieces from KLD and AMK that I could never pack.  I always got dupes of the cruddiest mythics at that time.

I follow you that the legacy pack have an incredibly slim chance of getting the masterpieces.  But, as it is right now, those packs are not in the vault either.  So it currently is also impossible to get the legacy masterpieces.

When Dominaria elites rotate out, it's safe to assume Rivals or Ixalan elites will follow, and you'll have a high chance of getting a Rivals/Ixalan masterpiece if you have enough crystals.

As things are now, we may never get a real chance at a legacy masterpiece.  They're locked away.  That's my issue right now.  You can booster craft every legacy mythic with enough orbs, but there's a selection of super powerful cards that are inaccessible to players, that I'll still face against when I'm playing training grounds or any other legacy event.

GrizzoMtGPQ

FindingHeart8 said:

Enygma6 said:

It’s not about completing a collection, but having the opportunity to stumble upon an unexpected bonus.
It may be extremely small of a chance, but there is a chance of catching an MP in the wild from the other sets without having to wait for it to rotate in on the Elite Collection.  But NOT for XLN/RIX.  That’s my point.  
I have had the fortune of catching 2 this way (1 KLD and 1 DOM), but I absolutely canNOT get one from the Ixalan block through this method no matter how many non-Elite packs I open.

I'm not really a collector, I just want the cool masterpieces from KLD and AMK that I could never pack.  I always got dupes of the cruddiest mythics at that time.

I follow you that the legacy pack have an incredibly slim chance of getting the masterpieces.  But, as it is right now, those packs are not in the vault either.  So it currently is also impossible to get the legacy masterpieces.

When Dominaria elites rotate out, it's safe to assume Rivals or Ixalan elites will follow, and you'll have a high chance of getting a Rivals/Ixalan masterpiece if you have enough crystals.

As things are now, we may never get a real chance at a legacy masterpiece.  They're locked away.  That's my issue right now.  You can booster craft every legacy mythic with enough orbs, but there's a selection of super powerful cards that are inaccessible to players, that I'll still face against when I'm playing training grounds or any other legacy event.

That was the intent they stated when they created Masterpieces. They should generally not be obtainable. They are cool and desirable but only attained by the lucky few. The only deviation from that was when they offered to exchange a dupe in the EP. That allowed for a better chance at a MP but it was still not anywhere near reasonably attainable without luck.

FindingHeart8

GrizzoMtGPQ said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Enygma6 said:

It’s not about completing a collection, but having the opportunity to stumble upon an unexpected bonus.
It may be extremely small of a chance, but there is a chance of catching an MP in the wild from the other sets without having to wait for it to rotate in on the Elite Collection.  But NOT for XLN/RIX.  That’s my point.  
I have had the fortune of catching 2 this way (1 KLD and 1 DOM), but I absolutely canNOT get one from the Ixalan block through this method no matter how many non-Elite packs I open.

I'm not really a collector, I just want the cool masterpieces from KLD and AMK that I could never pack.  I always got dupes of the cruddiest mythics at that time.

I follow you that the legacy pack have an incredibly slim chance of getting the masterpieces.  But, as it is right now, those packs are not in the vault either.  So it currently is also impossible to get the legacy masterpieces.

When Dominaria elites rotate out, it's safe to assume Rivals or Ixalan elites will follow, and you'll have a high chance of getting a Rivals/Ixalan masterpiece if you have enough crystals.

As things are now, we may never get a real chance at a legacy masterpiece.  They're locked away.  That's my issue right now.  You can booster craft every legacy mythic with enough orbs, but there's a selection of super powerful cards that are inaccessible to players, that I'll still face against when I'm playing training grounds or any other legacy event.

That was the intent they stated when they created Masterpieces. They should generally not be obtainable. They are cool and desirable but only attained by the lucky few. The only deviation from that was when they offered to exchange a dupe in the EP. That allowed for a better chance at a MP but it was still not anywhere near reasonably attainable without luck.

back then you could just continue to resubmit tickets until you got a nondupe (which would eventually be a masterpiece, it just took patience).

in this current model, you can be guaranteed masterpieces if you collect all the other mythics.  Standard masterpieces are very obtainable.

bk1234

FindingHeart8 said:

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As things are now, we may never get a real chance at a legacy masterpiece.  They're locked away.  That's my issue right now.  You can booster craft every legacy mythic with enough orbs, but there's a selection of super powerful cards that are inaccessible to players, that I'll still face against when I'm playing training grounds or any other legacy event.

They are lootable in legacy sets in the vault. Seems like a real chance to me and not at all locked away. Currently legacy sets rotate, Amonkhet is available right now with the full selection of masterpieces lootable. 

Mark_Tedin

 Legacy Elite packs could be available in the vault for a lower price. 

bk1234

Mark_Tedin said:

 Legacy Elite packs could be available in the vault for a lower price. 

I don't agree with this, unless the guaranteed non-dupe wasn't applied -- so maybe legacy elite packs should return, but only the 120 pack. If you've crafted all the rares and mythics, you would get a masterpiece -- this seems like a fair compromise. 

But asking for guaranteed non-dupe packs (which is what mythic+ packs are now) at a reduced price seems like a bit much. 

They are giving us so much as it is. 

Brakkis

Rotating Legacy Elite packs in the vault for the same price, 400 pinks. You want to use your 400 pinks on Legacy cards? Go for it.

Gabrosin

I would also like to see some access made available for Legacy MPs.  Breaking up the current Elite packs into three groups is a fantastic change and I hope it continues in the future; adding a Legacy Elite pack would work, though it would be nice to get a similar price discount on it.

Another option, though, would be to occasionally open up the old cards for a special event, as long as it's well publicized in advance to let people save up towards it.  Around Christmas last year all the PWs were available in the vault at once.  Do something like that for Legacy MPs!  Make them available for purchase via jewels or even craftable for orbs, but for a limited time frame.  Could even allow us to pay cash for them; if they're not Standard-legal I don't think you'll hear much complaint about it being pay-to-win.

FindingHeart8

bken1234 said:

FindingHeart8 said:

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As things are now, we may never get a real chance at a legacy masterpiece.  They're locked away.  That's my issue right now.  You can booster craft every legacy mythic with enough orbs, but there's a selection of super powerful cards that are inaccessible to players, that I'll still face against when I'm playing training grounds or any other legacy event.

They are lootable in legacy sets in the vault. Seems like a real chance to me and not at all locked away. Currently legacy sets rotate, Amonkhet is available right now with the full selection of masterpieces lootable. 

Ah, I missed the Amonkhet, good catch.

Still, Kaladesh and Aether Revolt are locked out at this time.  Just like Ixalan and Rivals, which was the overall point I was trying to make.

And I don't consider a 1.86% chance per 300 crystal Premium pack that is not dupe-free even comparable to a 100% guaranteed Standard non-dupe mythic/masterpiece.

I'm not trying to sound ungrateful, frankly I wasn't on the boat for dupe-free elite packs in the first place, but it happened.  I'm just pointing out that some of the best cards in this game cannot currently be obtained.

IM_CARLOS

I would buy those legacy EP too. There are only few MP in Standard worth the effort. And it if you already have every other card from a set, normal booster are not a good idea to go for specific cards.

I think there will be a EP-rotation. You have to wait. Maybe there will be a crafting option, so you don't have to wait, but every small step take a while and in this game. 

HarryMason

I don't really care much about masterpieces, but it would be cool to have some way of acquiring legacy mps aside from the rotating boosters. Legacy elites would be cool. I like getting new legacy cards. I'm slow rolling completion

FeralSkald

Perhaps remove super packs from legacy purchases. 
Standard booster.
Premium Pack
Elite collection pack

Price them for Crystal's and/or pinks. Have the sets rotate every two weeks with a random assortment of EPs for that set. Would allow for collecting without flooding the card pool. The price structure should be relevant to the set. Percentage discount of pinks, as an example, for the legacy definition. Also, in my opinion those EPs should contain a larger pool of mythics (10-15) and a maximum of 4 MPs. To allow for collecting but not purely MP farming. Assuming the no duplicate rule applies.

For transparency I never buy super packs so I've always thought they were easily replaceable.

FindingHeart8

HarryMason said:

I don't really care much about masterpieces, but it would be cool to have some way of acquiring legacy mps aside from the rotating boosters. Legacy elites would be cool. I like getting new legacy cards. I'm slow rolling completion

it's not just about collecting every card to me, I don't aim to own every card.

But with non-dupe elite packs being a thing now, TotP is relevant again, and that's all legacy with no recharges.  Today's masterpieces can be good but even the best are still at a general disadvantage to cards like Plat Angel, Chain Lightning, the Swords, Dark Ritual, Omniscience (I know it's not legacy yet but no guarantee we'll see it another rotation before m19 hits).

It's a power-level difference that I have an issue with, and the inaccessibility to evening the scales.

HarryMason

FindingHeart8 said:

HarryMason said:

I don't really care much about masterpieces, but it would be cool to have some way of acquiring legacy mps aside from the rotating boosters. Legacy elites would be cool. I like getting new legacy cards. I'm slow rolling completion

it's not just about collecting every card to me, I don't aim to own every card.

But with non-dupe elite packs being a thing now, TotP is relevant again, and that's all legacy with no recharges.  Today's masterpieces can be good but even the best are still at a general disadvantage to cards like Plat Angel, Chain Lightning, the Swords, Dark Ritual, Omniscience (I know it's not legacy yet but no guarantee we'll see it another rotation before m19 hits).

It's a power-level difference that I have an issue with, and the inaccessibility to evening the scales.

I see where you're coming from. I guess I've never really worried about card parity . I played my way through for a long time with a super weak collection. It would be awesome to have access to the super ridiculous mps ,though .