M19/origins/reprints

MTG_Mage

So M19 has been confirmed and I would like to speculate how MTGPQ will be handling this set.

Origins is the forever core set and any people would get very upset if Origins stopped being standard legal. I am guessing that M19 is likely just going to be treated like every other set. 

Core sets are 50% reprints and 50% new cards, but since MTGPQ has only been around since Origins, many of those reprint cards have not been printed before.

MTGPQ typically prints about 67% of a set, below are the paper and pq card quantities:

set    mtg    mtgpq

ORI   272    246

BFZ  274    238

OGW  184   53

SOI   297   190

EMN  205  67

KLD  264   197

AER  184    68

AMK  269  194

HOD 199  190

IXL   279   191

RIX  196  104

DOM  269  192

M19  280

        3172   1930 (1932?)

They can simply ignore any reprints and still get to their average of ~190 cards in a set, however since MTGPQ has adopted a standard/legacy format, it would not be good to ignore all reprints as some are needed staples to keep standard balanced.

My guess on how M19 will be handled:

I think that M19 will introduce reprints and any card that already exists will now have each expansion symbol that it came from on it. If you own any version of a card that has been reprinted then it will be legal in standard and show up in all sets it is in. In standard events any reprints will always show up in the newest/standard sets by filter regardless of what version you have. As for the art, it will be displayed as per the last version you opened in an pack. Duplicates treated as per normal cards. 

So thats what I think would be the best way to handle reprints. What are your thoughts?

ManiiNames

I wouldn’t be surprise to see Origins get replaced.  Might be good for the meta.  

ElfNeedsFood

They will need to deal with reprints at some point...  

I think it's anyone's guess what happens with Origins and M19...  I could see them treating M19 as an expansion of Origins too....

HarryMason

Precedent says that they'll skip em, but oktagon seems comfortable breaking precedents . I really don't think I care either way if they decide to include reprints . It would be a bad ,bad move to include omni. I know that's the root of the debate. I'd also hate it if I had to get all of the reprints again. So as long as neither of those happen , I'll remain indifferent. I do think that a bunch of reprints would make it feel like a core set ,and I never liked core sets ,but realistically I'll probably only care about  like 20 cards in the set

gogol666

The only thing that really scares me about origins being rotated out is losing nyx. Of course we will lose a lot more, but nyx on its own creates a series of decks that cannot exist anymore in standard

Kinesia

Long term planning, which Oktagon _are_ doing, I see lots of evidence such as the card types being slowly added, suggests reprints absolutely need to be done for the future and, with the lack of new mechanics in a core set, see this as the perfect time to do the work needed for that to make the future easier.

I may well be wrong, but they already got bitten by the reprints with Demolish and the like going missing, they would've started planning to deal with this then...

FindingHeart8

ManiiNames said:

I wouldn’t be surprise to see Origins get replaced.  Might be good for the meta.  

replacing Origins would be horrible for the game.

Origins cards are a last bastion for players who've left and come back to the game to get a foothold in the new sets.  You mine as well say, "If you took a break from this game for over a year, you mine as well delete your account or you're required to buy your way back in."

It would be incredibly alienating to anyone who isn't a continuous player, and unless they replace all Origins planeswalker decks with m19 cards, it would cripple any new player starting to this game.

I hope m19 adds to Origins so players have a wider variety of cards to use in future events that don't come with an expiration date.

Mburn7

gogol666 said:

The only thing that really scares me about origins being rotated out is losing nyx. Of course we will lose a lot more, but nyx on its own creates a series of decks that cannot exist anymore in standard

Ok, look.

Oktagon has stated several times that Origins will ALWAYS be the "base" set of the game (always in standard and used for intro and stuff).

There is no reason to believe that this policy has changed in any way with the coming of Core 2019.  If they were making a change that major they definitely would have mentioned it by now (since we have been bringing it up in Q&As and stuff for several months now).

Mark_Tedin

I think a collection with many reprints is not economically viable. M19  can not replace origins by several factors (some already mentioned) and M19 should normally rotate. 

DBJones

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they handle reprints. Also, that total in the first post being different from the in-game one is because of the two Christmas cards that aren't in any set.

EDHdad

Origins cards are a last bastion for players who've left and come back to the game to get a foothold in the new sets.  You mine as well say, "If you took a break from this game for over a year, you mine as well delete your account or you're required to buy your way back in."

100% this.  Origins is a "base set" because origins was the first set, and anyone who ever played has cards from Origins.

It has nothing to do with Origins being a "core set". M19 will be an expansion set, just like any other expansion set. 

Puzzle Quest has always printed new cards with every expansion set, and ignored reprints of cards which were previously printed in Puzzle Quest.  For example, Gaea's Blessing in Dominaria was originally published in paper Magic in 1997.  Serra Angel was originally printed in the first Magic set in 1993.  Nobody cares that these are reprints.  OTOH, in paper, some of the draft chaff creatures from Ixilan were reprinted in Rivals of Ixilan.  These were ignored by Puzzle Quest, because who the heck wants a 2nd Colossal Dreadmaw?

The only reason Omniscience might show up is that it was a Masterpiece before, rather than part of the core set.  My gut feeling is that they'll ignore it entirely.  They receive a lot of complaints about that card, and it might be awkward to have it exist at 2 different levels of rarity.

tfg76

My guess is that they reprint only from Origins, make M19 the new base set and change the set of all the reprints to M19. In other words, "Origins" would then have only the cards in it that weren't reprinted.

MTG_Mage

DBJones said:

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they handle reprints. Also, that total in the first post being different from the in-game one is because of the two Christmas cards that aren't in any set.

Thanks for pointing that out @DBJones , I had a question mark beside it because I didn't know the difference but noticed there was one. 

If they do reprint omniscience, I would guess that they would keep it as a masterpiece. That would draw people to dump all their purple gems on elite packs with the new release, and especially since they said that you cant get dupes in elite packs. However since it is a problematic card that would have rotated out of standard with the set release I would be inclined to think they would skip it in this set so it rotates. But who knows, they might nerf it and make it a reprint.

Enygma6

And here I was looking to run double-Omni in a deck

Gabrosin

I expect they're looking forward to Omniscience sliding into Legacy and hoping that'll get people to stop complaining about it.

wereotter

ManiiNames said:

I wouldn’t be surprise to see Origins get replaced.  Might be good for the meta.  

They would have to eliminate card mastery as a means of measuring reward level ranking if they were to remove Origins as the base set if they do this. Otherwise you can never stop playing and come back later. 

FindingHeart8

Enygma6 said:

And here I was looking to run double-Omni in a deck

Just thinking about that makes me feel--

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Enygma6

FindingHeart8 said:

Enygma6 said:

And here I was looking to run double-Omni in a deck

Just thinking about that makes me feel--

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