5* feeders: How many covers have you gotten from each feeder?

The rockett

With the announcement of a new feeder that kinda shocked a lot of people, Jubilee feeding Phoenix, it got me thinking of how many covers people got with the feeders when they went live.  I know some people track a lot of this information and some don't.  Here is the list of feeders.  Let see how people did.

Gamora -> Thaons  November 30th

Medusa -> Black Bolt  November 30th

Vulture -> Peter Parker  November 30th

Sandman -> Green Goblin  December 20th

King Pin -> Daredevil  January 18th

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye  Febuary 14th

Drax -> Star Lord  March 14th

X-Force -> Old Man Logan  April 11th

Black Panther -> Black Panther  April 25th

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (First Avenger)  May 9th

Jubliee -> Jean Grey  June 20th

The rockett

Gamora -> Thaons  4 covers

Medusa -> Black Bolt  5 covers

Vulture -> Peter Parker  4 covers

Sandman -> Green Goblin  3 covers

King Pin -> Daredevil  2 covers

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye  2 covers

Drax -> Star Lord  2 covers

X-Force -> Old Man Logan  3 covers

Black Panther -> Black Panther  0 covers

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (First Avenger)  4 covers

Jubliee -> Jean Grey   0 covers

Quebbster

Gamora -> Thanos  unchamped at update, got two cover since. Gamora at level 299, so the third comes whenever I get Another Gamora cover...

Medusa -> Black Bolt  Don't remember status at release, probably got one cover at update. Currently around 330, so two covers since.

Vulture -> Peter Parker  Unchamped at update, has passed 300 since. 2 covers, the only ones I have for PP.

Sandman -> Green Goblin  Unchamped at update, currently around 290, so just one cover.

King Pin -> Daredevil  Got him to 300 just Before the update, he has passed 320 since, so Three covers in all.

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye One cover on update, still waiting for her to cross 300 for a second...

Drax -> Star Lord One cover upon release, one more since.

X-Force -> Old Man Logan  Three covers on release, none since.

Black Panther -> Black Panther  Still waiting for the first one.

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (First Avenger)  Got one on release, gotten one more since.

Jubliee -> Jean Grey  Should get one on release.

JHawkInc

I don't have stats for when the change went live, but I've kept track of what I've gained in total, and can kinda reverse-engineer some of it.

Gamora - 3 total, only 1 when the update went LIve (chased other 2 to finish Thanos)
Medusa - 2, both at update
Vulture - 2, 1 at update, 1 after
Sandman - 2, 1 at update
Kingpin - 1 after
Kate - 1 at update
Drax - 1 after
Wolverine - 1 at update
Panther/Jubilee - zero, still under 280
Peggy - 1, only waste cover I've received

So 14 total, 8 right when the updates happened, only 1 wasted.

Bowgentle

Gamora -> Thanos  3 (I think)

Medusa -> Black Bolt  6

Vulture -> Peter Parker  3

Sandman -> Green Goblin  2

King Pin -> Daredevil  6

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye  3

Drax -> 1

X-Force -> Old Man Logan  4

Black Panther -> Black Panther  1

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (First Avenger)  6

Jubliee -> Jean Grey  0 (will be 270+ but below 280)

pfarewell

Gamora -> Thaons  4 covers

Medusa -> Black Bolt  3 covers

Vulture -> Peter Parker  2 covers

Sandman -> Green Goblin  3 covers (had to sell 2)

King Pin -> Daredevil  2 covers

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye  2 covers

Drax -> Star Lord  1 cover

X-Force -> Old Man Logan  2 covers

Black Panther -> Black Panther  1 cover

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (First Avenger)  3 covers

Jubliee -> Jean Grey   0 covers (jubilee not even close to being cramped)

Black Duke

Gamora -> Thanos  6 covers

Medusa -> Black Bolt  3 covers

Vulture -> Peter Parker  3 covers

Sandman -> Green Goblin  2 covers

Kingpin -> Daredevil  2 covers

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye  2 covers

Drax -> Star Lord  1 cover

X-Force -> Old Man Logan  3 covers

Black Panther -> Black Panther  1 cover

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (First Avenger)  2 covers

Jubilee -> Jean Grey   0 covers (since she´s 278)

Daiches

Gamora -> Thanos  November 30th

368 Gamora: 6 Covers

Medusa -> Black Bolt  November 30th

370 Medusa and 283 Medusa: 7 covers

Vulture -> Peter Parker  November 30th

333 Vulture: 3 covers

Sandman -> Green Goblin  December 20th

343 Sandman: 4 covers

Kingpin -> Daredevil  January 18th

351 KP: 5 covers

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye  Febuary 14th

334 Kate: 3 covers

Drax -> Star Lord  March 14th

307 Drax: 2 covers

(expected feeder Star Lord 339: 3 covers)

X-Force -> Old Man Logan  April 11th

326 XFW: 3 covers

Black Panther -> Black Panther  April 25th

293 BP: 1 cover

(0 covers at time of feeder announcement)

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (First Avenger)  May 9th

355 Peggy: 5 covers

Jubilee -> Jean Grey  June 20th

284 Jubilee: 1 cover

(expected feeder Jean Grey 347: 4 covers)

Why do some 4star characters feed their 5star counterpart, and some don't? Anyone?

Will Hulkbuster feed Iron Man? Or will Riri? Or will there be some one like War Machine feeding? Maybe even Iron Spider since he's brand new?

Will Thor be fed by Thor? Or someone new like Valkyrie? 

When are we getting Strange being fed by Mordo?

Will Banner be fed by MEH, TAH or RHulk? 

And what is the delay? You've got cover saves now (well.. only 3 anymore). There's no reason to delay anymore. Give us a feeder every week. The 5star tier is already bloated.

Pongie

Gamora -> Thanos - already championed, 2 covers

Medusa -> Black Bolt - 6 covers, have set medusa as my bonus hero since announcement to try and finish blackbolt. Only recently switched when medusas hit 360 and blackbolt completed. No champion levels

Vulture -> Peter Parker - already championed, 2 covers

Sandman -> Green Goblin - 2 covers to bring him up to 4

King Pin -> Daredevil - already championed, 2 covers

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye - already championed, 2 covers

Drax -> Star Lord - 2 covers to bring him up to 7, my current bonus hero along with 3* rocket & groot. No idea why I’m targeting this

X-Force -> Old Man Logan - 2 covers, had to spend 720cp to complete and championed save a cover

Black Panther -> Black Panther  0 covers

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (First Avenger) - 5 covers to bring him up to 8. Peggy was my bonus hero when I pulled bags of tricks tokens. Got like 29 champion levels at the time

Jubliee -> Jean Grey  0 covers

broll

Gamora -> 1

Medusa -> 1

Vulture -> 1

Sandman -> 1

King Pin -> 1

Kate Bishop -> 1

Drax -> 0

X-Force -> 1

Black Panther -> 0

Peggy Carter -> 1

Jubliee -> 0

alaeth

Gamora =  2 Thanos

Medusa = 2 Black Bolt 

Vulture = 0 Peter Parker

Sandman = 1 Green Goblin

King Pin = 1 Daredevil  (missed 2 by one level)

Kate Bishop = 1 Hawkeye

Drax -> 0 Star Lord  (Drax was my unicorn for the longest time - only got the 13th for him in April)

X-Force = 2 Old Man Logan

Black Panther = 1 Black Panther

Peggy Carter = 1 Captain America (First Avenger)

smkspy

3 (all used)- Gamora currently 322
2 (1 pf 2 unusable)- Medusa currently 317
2 (1 of 2 unusable)- Vulture 310
1 (used) - Sandman 295
2(1 of 2 unusuable)- Kingpin 304
0- Kate 275
0- drax 279
1 (used)- xfw 291
0- BP 271
1 (unusable)- Peggy 294
0- soon to be 271

None of the fives were champed, but my 2nd DD and PP rewards gave me their 13th covers.

ThaRoadWarrior

G4mora -> Thano5 = 1
Vulture -> Parker = 1

Medusa and Sandman are at 274, and those are my only other possibles right now. If it comes to pass that Rogue feeds Gambit like people think (personally I was sure he would come from Jubilee with her being so generally bottom tier), I'll be getting a freebie off of that because my Rogue is 282.

My Kingpin is 277, and my DD5 has a 5/1/0 build, so cover saving could not have come soon enough for that lol.

Straycat

My highest 4 is 311 C&D, so my max is 2 covers.

Gamora, Medusa, Vulture : 2

Sandman, Kingpin, Kate, Peggy : 1

Drax, BP, Jubilee : 0

XFW : 1 unusable

Isay_Isay

Gamora 6
Medusa 6
Vulture 3
Sandman 3
Kingpin 3
Kate 2
Drax 2
Wolverine 6
Black Panther 1
Peggy 4
Jubilee 1

Basepuzzler

Gamora 6
Medusa 6
Vulture 3
Sandman 3
Kingpin 4
Kate 2
Drax 2
Wolverine 3
Black Panther 0
Peggy 6
Jubilee 1

Basepuzzler

It kind of feels like the first feeders gave the most covers out and since then they started picking 4’s that people don’t have as high.

kind of feels that way.

PenniesForEveryone

I think I have 6 from all but KP, Drax, BP, and Jubilee.  Vaulting and semi-vaulting obviously had a huge impact on the 4s that were selected from those groups.

SnowcaTT

5*'s drop at 280/300/320/340/350/360.

Gamora -> Thanos (3)

Medusa -> Black Bolt  (4)

King Pin -> Daredevil  (2)

Vulture -> Peter Parker (2 for unusable 5*)

Sandman -> Green Goblin (2 for unusable 5*)

Kate Bishop -> Hawkeye  (1 for mostly unusable 5*)

Drax -> Star Lord  (1 for unusable 5*)

X-Force -> Old Man Logan  (3 for unusable 5*)

Black Panther -> Black Panther (0 for mostly unusable 5*)

Peggy Carter -> Captain America (3 finished this unusable 5*)

Jubliee -> Jean Grey  (0 for unusable 5*)

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There are three questions buried within here.

1) Are 4*'s overly diluted?

How big are your 4*s?
My top five are 370/358/341/341/340: only five of 69 total characters could get four covers if they were selected.
Other 4*'s in 5-drop tiers: 16 above 320, 23 above 300, 16 above 280, 9 sub 280. They are getting nowhere, and faster all the time with more and more 4*'s introduced. Now that latests are the same as classic drops - I expect those lowest numbers to stay there, and I honestly don't know if/when I'll ever get more above 360/380

2) Are some 5*'s overpowered?

The oldest 5*'s are simply worthless compared to the new ones. Do the new ones need a nerf? Do the old ones need a buff? Probably both. I'd also suggest match-damage of the old ones REALLY needs to be looked at. When you are getting rewards at supposedly the top tier of the game you simply -don't care about- because you'll never use them: that's not good.

3) Are 5* drops too slow?

I've promoted the idea before and I will here again - the release format is 4/4/5 (approximately). So for every 5* released, THREE 4*'s should be made into feeders to catch up eventually (it will take years at the current rate). There should be at least two - and honestly, it wouldn't hurt if the two both fed the same 5* at the same time.

Example: Hulkbuster and Riri are natural feeders for IM XLVI. Why not release both at the same time, and maybe in reverse order of covers given? (HB as 1/2/3, Riri as 3/2/1). That will actually give players a chance to cover these characters without so much waste (which there is a new system to 'help' with, but if true player help was desired colorless covers would have been a thing two years ago).

Straycat

I would be much more in favor of several 4* feeders that only give 1 cover instead of the current system. Especially given that some of the newest 4* are becoming feeders for the oldest 5*s. Spread it out. Give us a real path to covering these old diluted 5*s

broll

On Discord the devs said the process for picking them is somehow random.  I believe they meant who the next feeder will be.  Then once they have that they pick who will feed them based on who doesn't have a feeder, is in classics, and has a reasonable relationship with the character.

They said the process for picking the next feeder is intentional random on their side because they want there to be no pattern to discern.  It's in their best interest for us not to know in advance (presumably so we can't figure out who the next one is and BH them up 2 or 3 feeder covers for example).  

I think this explanation makes sense and is also probably how the 5E order was picked for round one also (now that it's repeating it is predictable though).  I suspect any they picked a new one because is likely just human nature trying to find patterns even if there isn't one.