This Forum Isn't Fun Anymore

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Alliance in-fighting and cross-fighting.
Name calling and ad hominem attacks instead of healthy debate.
Drama posts and flame bait getting 20 times the attention of worthwhile posts.
Worthwhile threads derailed by all of the above.

I get that this is a forum, and this is the internet, and I'm not supposed to expect more. But you know what? I do. The only reason I ever joined this forum instead of just lurking and mining information was because there was a real sense of community here and it had an upbeat spirit. Now, the sense of cynicism and bile here is pervasive.

The final straw?

A community member posts a call for others to support another player going into recovery. That thread? 5 responses.

Instead, people are busy rehashing the same complaints and revisiting the same butthurt to infinity and beyond.

I'm done with posting here. I'll be lurking and reading the few threads that are actually pertinent or goodwilled. Some of y'all are great people. Feel free to PM me if you need or want to get in touch.

Unknown

I pondered posting support in that thread, but I don't really know / haven't interacted with Caped Crusader, and I didn't want to come across as "band-wagon jumping", I guess. But I really do wish Caped Crusader all the best.

Anyway, maybe other people felt like me. Fair point though.

Keep your chin up, wyp. I agree, the forum has gotten gloomy, but it'll get better again. D3 just need to fix everything that's broken.

Unknown

Now I know something is wrong, two of us posted nearly the same independent observation less than 15 min apart.

Even as newb I have always appreciated your style, WYP. You are right, something is very wrong, and I can't blame you for pulling back. Though I will miss your thoughtful perspective around here.

Unknown

I was thinking about making a similar thread actually. I used to read 80% of the posts on the forums but probably now read maybe 10%.

Part of it is the sheer # of posts now but the posts I read are of very low quality generally now. Very little analysis or helpful information is posted now, it’s a lot of complaining, off-topic stuff, or alliance **** that 99% of us don’t care about. If everyone took a second and filtered out posts that are only relevant to oneself/your alliance, I think it would clean things up quite a bit.

It’s okay to complain but if it’s the exact same complaint that the previous 20 posts had, does it really add anything? Maybe try to come up with a solution instead of just pouting.

(Not saying I’m not guilty of some of this stuff myself)

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walkyourpath wrote:

Alliance in-fighting and cross-fighting.
Name calling and ad hominem attacks instead of healthy debate.
Drama posts and flame bait getting 20 times the attention of worthwhile posts.
Worthwhile threads derailed by all of the above.

I get that this is a forum, and this is the internet, and I'm not supposed to expect more. But you know what? I do. The only reason I ever joined this forum instead of just lurking and mining information was because there was a real sense of community here and it had an upbeat spirit. Now, the sense of cynicism and bile here is pervasive.

The final straw?

A community member posts a call for others to support another player going into recovery. That thread? 5 responses.

Instead, people are busy rehashing the same complaints and revisiting the same butthurt to infinity and beyond.

I'm done with posting here. I'll be lurking and reading the few threads that are actually pertinent or goodwilled. Some of y'all are great people. Feel free to PM me if you need or want to get in touch.

Posts announcing you're leaving because everyone is not as nice as you want them to be are part of the problem.

Clintman

Or, posts like this call to attention that people need to be decent to each other rather than acting like rude little monkeys all the time.

Frustration is high, it is true, but that is not an excuse for people constantly showing their **** when they post. Aggressive behaviors like WYP describe inhibit the more level headed posters and we lose out on a valuable resource to the community. Being loud and complaining all the time gets attention, but often does not add value... Just noise.

Tredo

mcheath wrote:

walkyourpath wrote:

Alliance in-fighting and cross-fighting.
Name calling and ad hominem attacks instead of healthy debate.
Drama posts and flame bait getting 20 times the attention of worthwhile posts.
Worthwhile threads derailed by all of the above.

I get that this is a forum, and this is the internet, and I'm not supposed to expect more. But you know what? I do. The only reason I ever joined this forum instead of just lurking and mining information was because there was a real sense of community here and it had an upbeat spirit. Now, the sense of cynicism and bile here is pervasive.

The final straw?

A community member posts a call for others to support another player going into recovery. That thread? 5 responses.

Instead, people are busy rehashing the same complaints and revisiting the same butthurt to infinity and beyond.

I'm done with posting here. I'll be lurking and reading the few threads that are actually pertinent or goodwilled. Some of y'all are great people. Feel free to PM me if you need or want to get in touch.

Posts announcing you're leaving because everyone is not as nice as you want them to be are part of the problem.

Please explain how this post is part of the problem. I fail to see how a respected MPQ player and insightful person setting an example for the rest of us causes any kind of trouble. It sounds to me like WYP is sick of everyone getting after each other and dumping on the devs all day, every day. Again, where is the problem? I'm not trying to be a ****, but I feel like this statement needs more substance.

Unknown

Used to read most of the posts as well but I generally skim for anything intriguing in general (which is rarely found) and only really read or post in the events section because thats mostly what matters. The hate does permeate those threads at times too as well unfortunately. Most of the recent negativity and volatile nature is coming from a small pool of people who really need to smarten up or be banned. It only takes once asshat to ruin a party.

I don't mind the complaining about un-fun mechanics and the game taking worse and worse turns down the windy road of dumpsville to an extent. But it's mostly the alliance and name calling gibberish has to end.

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mcheath wrote:

walkyourpath wrote:

Alliance in-fighting and cross-fighting.
Name calling and ad hominem attacks instead of healthy debate.
Drama posts and flame bait getting 20 times the attention of worthwhile posts.
Worthwhile threads derailed by all of the above.

I get that this is a forum, and this is the internet, and I'm not supposed to expect more. But you know what? I do. The only reason I ever joined this forum instead of just lurking and mining information was because there was a real sense of community here and it had an upbeat spirit. Now, the sense of cynicism and bile here is pervasive.

The final straw?

A community member posts a call for others to support another player going into recovery. That thread? 5 responses.

Instead, people are busy rehashing the same complaints and revisiting the same butthurt to infinity and beyond.

I'm done with posting here. I'll be lurking and reading the few threads that are actually pertinent or goodwilled. Some of y'all are great people. Feel free to PM me if you need or want to get in touch.

Posts announcing you're leaving because everyone is not as nice as you want them to be are part of the problem.

It's **** like this that leads us long time contributors to post what walk posted there.

I'm with walk on this one, the forum used to be fun. I strongly suspect that alliances played their part, not ground breaking analysis, but there isn't the inclination to want to share data or help the community any more. At least not at Ladder towers.

It was good whilst it lasted.

Unknown

I have basically been avoiding the forums for a few weeks already. Had to hop on and give some feedback for recent issues though. Figured things were getting crazy. Lol

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The Ladder wrote:

It's **** like this that leads us long time contributors to post what walk posted there.

I'm with walk on this one, the forum used to be fun. I strongly suspect that alliances played their part, not ground breaking analysis, but there isn't the inclination to want to share data or help the community any more. At least not at Ladder towers.

It was good whilst it lasted.

Yup. I noticed that too. Even during the elite tourneys - people were sharing info - even at the point in the competition that would make or break the top spot.

Unknown

pandaberry6 wrote:

The Ladder wrote:

It's **** like this that leads us long time contributors to post what walk posted there.

I'm with walk on this one, the forum used to be fun. I strongly suspect that alliances played their part, not ground breaking analysis, but there isn't the inclination to want to share data or help the community any more. At least not at Ladder towers.

It was good whilst it lasted.

Yup. I noticed that too. Even during the elite tourneys - people were sharing info - even at the point in the competition that would make or break the top spot.

Group dynamics in action! If you're in the elite tournament and sharing information, you're the one paying the cost. But suddenly now, you're hurting the team if you do so.

BearVenger

I disagree somewhat. We've been pretty helpful to each other (if mutually clueless) regarding scaling and grouping changes in PvE and PvP. To some degree, most of the other mechanic questions have decent consensus.

Unknown

Visit the django corner for recovery. Seems like the only (in)sane place left here.

HailMary

laoahpeh wrote:

Visit the django corner for recovery. Seems like the only (in)sane place left here.

There's a 100 HP cover charge for rehabilitative visits.

Unknown

I agree with the OP. However after some thought and reading the responses, I have a suggestion that I hope some of the older forum members consider before leaving...

What if we all make an effort to ignore the drama/devrage/such and try to return the forum to the fun place it used to be? I think lots of peeps are doing their general game chat on their alliance chats but maybe some of that general game excitement could be brought back to the forums? Chat it up here on the forums and show the newer members what it was like back in the good old days? I dunno. I spent my morning at Django and found myself laughing harder than I ever remember laughing. So unleash your inner Django perhaps? Let's see if the forum can handle it.

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HailMary wrote:

laoahpeh wrote:

Visit the django corner for recovery. Seems like the only (in)sane place left here.

There's a 100 HP cover charge for rehabilitative visits.

I should make a thread about that. "Really low class move Hailmary"

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I've seen this before. We've reached the point in the game's life cycle where a handful of early players break off, pirate some vbulletin software and start their own invite-only forum. This inevitably results in a temporary easing of drama until someone on one forum gets in a fight with someone on the other forum, and that fight leads to 3x drama followed by a ban hammer and some trips to Coventry and a few fake suicide attempts.

I hung out on Final Fantasy messageboards when I was a teenager.

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Ghast wrote:

I've seen this before. We've reached the point in the game's life cycle where a handful of early players break off, pirate some vbulletin software and start their own invite-only forum. This inevitably results in a temporary easing of drama until someone on one forum gets in a fight with someone on the other forum, and that fight leads to 3x drama followed by a ban hammer and some trips to Coventry and a few fake suicide attempts.

I hung out on Final Fantasy messageboards when I was a teenager.

No joke - that happened to the Pet Society forums I hung out at too!

radiopy

Not sure if this is a joke thread or not (mirrors "This Game Isn't Fun Anymore") quite a bit. As a sometimes-poster, I thought I would weigh in.

If it wasn't for the forums, I probably would have dropped this game long ago. But this has got to be one of the best communities and best group of people I've met online (or maybe I'm just naive). The people in my alliance? All great people. The people in (most) other alliances? Also great people. How often does someone even CARE enough about someone else in a MATCH 3 GAME to post that, hey, we want to wish them well? Can't tell if walkyourpath was being serious, but that thread has more replies and more views than this thread. This isn't just a game; it's a community.

With all of the bickering about certain alliances recently, it's worth mentioning that this is a very small percentage of not just the player base but the forum group as well. I remember in the early days where a forum member was struggling to get their first Magneto cover and played a lightning round and forum-people would attack-retreat this person to catapult them into first place. These players got NOTHING out of it (except maybe a bit of tanking).

Candy Crush doesn't have that. Farmville doesn't have that. World of Warcraft may have that, but it's not a casual match-3 game.

This is the best casual gaming community out there and I am proud to post and be involved in the forum.

Unknown

pandaberry6 wrote:

The Ladder wrote:

I'm with walk on this one, the forum used to be fun. I strongly suspect that alliances played their part, not ground breaking analysis, but there isn't the inclination to want to share data or help the community any more. At least not at Ladder towers.

Yup. I noticed that too. Even during the elite tourneys - people were sharing info - even at the point in the competition that would make or break the top spot.

One reason for that is that devs play the evil card -- read the advice given to people here and fix^Wbreak the workarounds at first opportunity (while leaving all the reported problems unaddressed).

Prologue healing? Killed. PVE scaling antidote? Killed. Self-service fixing MMR hell? Killed, you shall not have escape from the punishments.... just the few from top of my head.

Guess people learned to use other channels to talk how to keep the game somewhat afloat. "Good" job, worth keeping up.