Upcoming Core set

Demonious
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Is origins going to rotate when a new core set a released later this year?  Origins was meant to be the last core set and that has changed.  However I feel it’s important to know sooner rather than later what will happen once the next core set releases.

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  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    It has been stated previously that Origins will forever be the core set of MTGPQ.  The new core will probably be treated the same as any other set.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mburn7 said:
    It has been stated previously that Origins will forever be the core set of MTGPQ.  The new core will probably be treated the same as any other set.
    They may not be able to treat the core set the same as any other as core sets, historically, are about 80% reprints.

    This game hasn’t handled reprints too well so far (there are at least 7 cards right now from Shadows over Innistrad that we’re reprinted in Amonkhet and Ixalan that should be standard legal, but aren’t) so I’m not confident in their ability to handle them for a full set of them. 
  • Bil
    Bil Posts: 831 Critical Contributor
       Depending on how the set is balanced, they could maybe consider keeping both origins and the new core set in standard on the long term.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Bil said:
       Depending on how the set is balanced, they could maybe consider keeping both origins and the new core set in standard on the long term.
    Except there will now be a core set every summer. So this won't be a 1-off issue, and many core sets feature the same identical cards year after year, some of which already are in Origins, and many others were printed over the sets we have currently.
  • Bil
    Bil Posts: 831 Critical Contributor
       I didnt know they started those 1 year core sets again ... I thought it was over and they just released another one that would last for a while as origins was supposed to.

  • Corn_Noodles
    Corn_Noodles Posts: 477 Mover and Shaker
    Mburn7 said:
    It has been stated previously that Origins will forever be the core set of MTGPQ.  The new core will probably be treated the same as any other set.
    Unless WotC says otherwise.
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    Corn Noodles said:
    Mburn7 said:
    It has been stated previously that Origins will forever be the core set of MTGPQ.  The new core will probably be treated the same as any other set.
    Unless WotC says otherwise.
    I would assume that they had received permission from WoTC before announcing that Origins would be the Core Set of MTGPQ, but I guess if they haven't then it could change.

    With Dominaria coming out in a couple months anyway I dont think this is super high priority for them.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    ArielSira said:
    What if they just expand Origins with a bunch of cards from the new core set?
    This please! 

    Origins could do with an expansion of sorts and there are many ways to go about it
  • MTG_Mage
    MTG_Mage Posts: 224 Tile Toppler
    I too am curious as to how they are going to be handling the mostly reprint core sets in conjunction with origins. MTGPQ only have released the official sets since origins and ignore the reprint sets (m25, modern masters, eternal masters) casual sets (conspiracy, un sets) and unique cards in precons (commander, planeswalker decks).

    If a card is in more than one set, they should probably allow you to get it for each set its in, but in formats if you only have an older version then that one should show up in your card selection as being legal in standard.
    The question is are they going to make a small set separate from origins that rotates out after a year, or are they going to merge it with origins and call it core or something different?

    It would also be nice to know what their schedule is for set rotations as they are now caught up with paper sets but pq standard is different from paper. A set should get at least a full year in standard (which they all have so far) but paper has sets stay 1.5-2 years in standard (for instance Kaladesh block is still in std until sept but out in pq...not compalining about that, glad to see that rotate out as it had power creep issues).
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    MTG_Mage said:

    If a card is in more than one set, they should probably allow you to get it for each set its in, but in formats if you only have an older version then that one should show up in your card selection as being legal in standard.
    I've been making this claim for a while now. There are at least 8 cards I can think of right off the top of my head that SHOULD be legal for standard since they were printed in currently standard legal sets, but are not:

    Dual Shot
    Tormenting Voice
    Stone Quarry
    Highland Lake
    Foul Orchard
    Forsaken Sanctuary
    Woodland Stream
    Plummet (this one was in Origins, but our card is from Battle for Zendikar)
  • Sirchombli
    Sirchombli Posts: 322 Mover and Shaker
    The cards were printed in paper. This isn't paper. They're related, but not the same. I'd put money on reprints being a logistics issue . As in, the system recognizes sets, not cards . They would have to include the cards in the set in mtgpq. When they stated that origins will be the core set forever, it was the last one . That could very well change. Considering everything else has rotated, origins is beyond stale .
  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sirchombli said:
    The cards were printed in paper. This isn't paper. They're related, but not the same. I'd put money on reprints being a logistics issue . As in, the system recognizes sets, not cards . They would have to include the cards in the set in mtgpq. When they stated that origins will be the core set forever, it was the last one . That could very well change. Considering everything else has rotated, origins is beyond stale .

    Yes, the cards are probably in the database as "belongs to this set" and there can be only one. Redoing the entire database structure is a huge thing.
    They could duplicate the cards in each set easily enough, but that won't let you use a non-standard copy in standard, that requires extra coding on top and is a hack, rearranging the db is the right way to do it.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sirchombli said:
    The cards were printed in paper. This isn't paper. They're related, but not the same. I'd put money on reprints being a logistics issue . As in, the system recognizes sets, not cards . They would have to include the cards in the set in mtgpq. When they stated that origins will be the core set forever, it was the last one . That could very well change. Considering everything else has rotated, origins is beyond stale .
    Which is okay, until certain cards are in sets explicitly to because of set mechanics, Dual Shot, for example, not only was there to help take out life linking vampire tokens, but it also triggers enrage on your dinosaurs by letting you ping them yourself.

    I'm not going to claim it's an easy fix to make to the game, because I have no experience with such things, only that considering the cards exist in the game, and the cards were reprinted into sets that are legal in standard right now, these cards should be allowable. None of the ones I listed are particularly broken, and some would even be welcome additions to certain decks.
  • DBJones
    DBJones Posts: 803 Critical Contributor
    The announcement of a new core set this year came well before they said Origins will always be standard in this game (around the booster crafting details announcement, I think? Within a couple months of that anyway.) Here's the earliest announcement I found including the new core set:
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/25th-anniversary-announcement-day-2017-06-14

  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    Maybe Origins will just be combined with Core and it could be called MTGPQ Core. 
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    bken1234 said:
    Maybe Origins will just be combined with Core and it could be called MTGPQ Core. 
    my bet is that they'll (unfortunately) skip it entirely in works of Dominaria, maybe we'll see a few of the better core cards as masterpieces
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    FindingHeart8 said:
    bken1234 said:
    Maybe Origins will just be combined with Core and it could be called MTGPQ Core. 
    my bet is that they'll (unfortunately) skip it entirely in works of Dominaria, maybe we'll see a few of the better core cards as masterpieces
    They have time to do it.

    Dominaria's paper release date is April 27, so they're pretty well caught up right now, and even if they're slightly behind on that set, it's not that far off. Core 2019 is currently set to release July 13 and the set following that, assuming they continue to follow their normal schedule, will be late September. So if they completely ignore the core set, then there will be no new cards added to the game for 5-6 months. That's a pretty long time to wait in between.
  • jtwood
    jtwood Posts: 1,285 Chairperson of the Boards
    ArielSira said:
    What if they just expand Origins with a bunch of cards from the new core set?
    When considering this topic, this has been my secret hope with how they approach adding a new core set
  • gogol666
    gogol666 Posts: 316 Mover and Shaker
    edited March 2018
    A simple way to implement it is having two sets: the current core, that inherits all the cards you already have from the previous core, and the past cores, where all the cards that become legacy can be stored

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