Tishana, Voice of Thunder Reinforce Bug [Fixed]

HomeRn
HomeRn Posts: 330 Mover and Shaker
edited April 2018 in MtGPQ Bugs & Technical Issues
Playing Tishana initially properly buffs Tishana with the proper +2/+2 per card in hand.  However, reinforcing Tishana by playing a second copy from your hand causes incorrect stat changes (sometimes causing Tishana to actually get debuffed instead!!) - the game doesn't realize that Tishana is being reinforced?

//Edited Title -Brigby
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  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    Same problem 
  • octal9
    octal9 Posts: 593 Critical Contributor
    That's just funny.

    I give them a lot of leeway but a lot of these could have been prevented with some play-testing.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    octal9 said:
    That's just funny.

    I give them a lot of leeway but a lot of these could have been prevented with some play-testing.
    You mean like how Gishath might have not been bugged on release if play tested? Clearly you're asking too much ;)
  • ManiiNames
    ManiiNames Posts: 213 Tile Toppler
    For $39.99 it probably should be at least tested once or twice.
  • gogol666
    gogol666 Posts: 316 Mover and Shaker
    I guess we should consider ourselves as beta-testers instead of players
  • nerdstrap
    nerdstrap Posts: 180 Tile Toppler
    I want a refund
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    Hi Everyone. Thanks for the heads up. I've passed this issue along to the QA team for review.
  • Dropspot
    Dropspot Posts: 200 Tile Toppler
    edited March 2018
    I can't believe everybody didn't realize we are the play testers yet...
  • Szamsziel
    Szamsziel Posts: 463 Mover and Shaker
    @Brigby is there any chance that the list prepared by you is shared on forum? Or at least the list of cards reported.
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    @Szamsziel Any of the threads that I have left a comment on recently in the Bugs & Technical Issues sub-forum are more-often-than-not comments that inform players I have relayed the reported issue to the QA team.

    Having said though, I can potentially add a 2.4 bug section into the already existing bug status list for easier visibility of known issues
  • Babo21
    Babo21 Posts: 37 Just Dropped In
    Well.... I've been told by support staff that the card is supposed to work this way! If it is supposed to work like this (on reinforcing only gaining 1/1) I'll demand a refund!
  • jtwood
    jtwood Posts: 1,285 Chairperson of the Boards
    I’ve seen the same behavior with Storm Fleet Aerialist where it doesn’t trigger Raided when reinforcing.
  • Babo21
    Babo21 Posts: 37 Just Dropped In
    edited March 2018
    I haven't used it (the storm fleet aerealist)... And besides, when you pay for a card you want it to work like it says in the text! All previous creatures triggered abilities on reinforce!

  • jtwood
    jtwood Posts: 1,285 Chairperson of the Boards
    Broadly speaking, I don’t like it as a design decision because it greatly diminishes the value of subsequent castings. 
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    The way it's written it should reinforce when casted from the hand with ETB effects -- like VoMF. 

    I would understand no ETB if it were being reinforced with Evolutionary Leap -- but cast from hand the ETB effect should work. 

    I'm going to hold out hope that support is giving you wrong information on this one and that they didn't just charge us $40 USD for a creature that basically can't reinforce. 
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    jtwood said:
    Broadly speaking, I don’t like it as a design decision because it greatly diminishes the value of subsequent castings. 
    She does still draw you the cards on later casting, but just doesn't increase in size. I will agree with you, though, that she should still increase in size when she enters. Every other ETB effect triggers when reinforced, so I'm pretty sure this is a bug (thinking about Rishkar, Ulrich, Decimator, etc)
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    The fact that she draws the cards to me is proof that she should be reinforcing -- we've never seen a card with one ETB effect but not both work. That doesn't even make sense. 

  • Babo21
    Babo21 Posts: 37 Just Dropped In
    Agreed! I'm hoping this is all a big missunderstanding of some sort, because having the support team just saying it is supposed to work this way to avoid extra work will make me lose every faith I had in them!
  • Kyphonis
    Kyphonis Posts: 36 Just Dropped In
    There are so many reinforce bugs it doesn’t make sense. For example, L3 won’t do the +6/+6 buff if she is reinforcing a creature as she brings them back. This is par for the course.
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    Hi Everyone. We are currently inquiring with the developers about the definitive behavior of Tishana, Voice of Thunder's Enter the Battlefield mechanic when reinforcing itself. Once we have an update from them, we will be sure to pass that information along not just to the player community, but also to our Support Team to ensure that correct information is being communicated. Thank you for your patience and understanding!

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