Conqueror's Galleon, Vehicle or not?

Gunmix25
Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
edited March 2018 in MtGPQ General Discussion
Conqueror's Galleon is unique as it is both a support and a vehicle. It utilizes the Crew ability to speed up casting, an ability found exclusively with vehicles; until now. The issue with this card is that despite being a vehicle, Saheeli cannot summon this card with her 3rd. Others feel that as a support, this card is immune to vehicle draws, fetches or pulls. The point of this poll is what do you think?

Conqueror's Galleon, Vehicle or not? 34 votes

Conqueror's Galleon is a support and only a support. The "vehicle" wording only applies to the token generated by the support upon play. Meaning that because it is a secondary effect, the card cannot be interacted by direct pull, draw or fetch effect specifically asking for a vehicle
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Mainloop25TomB_Daromax_wickedwitch74Mburn7BrakkisQuiksilverHg 7 votes
Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
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Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle, but it matters not to me about whether this card can or cannot be targeted as a vehicle.
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UweTellkampfLaeuftbeidirFirinmahlazer 3 votes
Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle but can only be targeted by a broader phrase such as "Vehicle card" that is used by Deadeye Quartermaster and not just "Vehicle" as used by Saheeli..
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  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    I personally believe that this card should be able to fetched by Saheeli or any effect that specifies vehicle or vehicle card. When a target is called for, the description on the card should fullfill the requirement to be targeted.  The uniqueness that this card is both a support and a vehicle should not prevent that
  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    Look to the future... Adding the subtypes land, vehicle, equipment, etc open up _future_ card design space, it is far far better for us if they exist, but they need to work _intuitively_ always. So that means it can be fetched (or stolen by kari zev!) just like any normal person would think it should just be reading the cards involved.

    If my 9 year old would read them and go "Yeah, that should work!", then that should work.

    But in this specific game, clear and precise and intuitive language is a requirement (that we are unfortunately lacking) not a luxury.  Everything like this needs fixing to get us in the right place for the future.
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    Kinesia said:
    Look to the future... Adding the subtypes land, vehicle, equipment, etc open up _future_ card design space, it is far far better for us if they exist, but they need to work _intuitively_ always. So that means it can be fetched (or stolen by kari zev!) just like any normal person would think it should just be reading the cards involved.

    If my 9 year old would read them and go "Yeah, that should work!", then that should work.

    But in this specific game, clear and precise and intuitive language is a requirement (that we are unfortunately lacking) not a luxury.  Everything like this needs fixing to get us in the right place for the future.
    Speaking of future. The fact that KLD/AER are next to rotate out when the time comes will make the value of this card increase significantly for Saheeli. At least for those who wish to use her 3rd loyalty.  If they fix it so that she can call it out. 
  • Szamsziel
    Szamsziel Posts: 463 Mover and Shaker
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    Fun reminder: in the beginning saheeli ultimate was not targeting vehicles but supports:)
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and only a support. The "vehicle" wording only applies to the token generated by the support upon play. Meaning that because it is a secondary effect, the card cannot be interacted by direct pull, draw or fetch effect specifically asking for a vehicle
    I think it should be targetable (clicked the wrong bubble by accident).

    Its probably just another entry in the loooooong list of buggy cards in Ixalan (and the somehow longer list of bugs in the transforming cards)
  • Firinmahlazer
    Firinmahlazer Posts: 417 Mover and Shaker
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle, but it matters not to me about whether this card can or cannot be targeted as a vehicle.
    Honestly now that I think about it I really don't want it to be counted as a vehicle. The Token isn't counted as a creature so it wouldn't help towards summon objectives. If I'm running say 3-4 vehicles it would clog up Saheeli's 3rd. I mean I'm not going to protest if it gets changed but I think it's ok where it's at right now. 
  • Machine
    Machine Posts: 857 Critical Contributor
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.

    I reported this as a bug when I used it in RAtC 1.2 where you have to summon x or more Vehicles. Since it explicitly states Support - Vehicle, it should count as one, even though it's not a Creature - Vehicle.

  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    Magic exists specifically with interesting cards like these in mind.

    For example, this card is explicitly an enchantment for effects that will target or destroy them, but it's also a merfolk, so effects that search for or care about how many merfolk you have also apply. There's no reason Conquerer's Galleon shouldn't be able to be both a support and a vehicle.

  • Gormhaus
    Gormhaus Posts: 190 Tile Toppler
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    And you should be able to destroy it with support removal.
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    Gormhaus said:
    And you should be able to destroy it with support removal.

    Are you referring to the vehicle token?


  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    It should act as vehicle

    By the way isn't it a pirate ship? 
  • Gormhaus
    Gormhaus Posts: 190 Tile Toppler
    Conqueror's Galleon is a support and a vehicle. Thus it can be targeted directly by all effects in PQ that specifically ask for a support or vehicle. This includes Saheeli's 3rd.
    Gunmix25 said:
    Gormhaus said:
    And you should be able to destroy it with support removal.

    Are you referring to the vehicle token?


    No just the support vehicle. Sorry.

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