2.5 Release Notes (3/13/18)

madwren

Ixalan cards are craftable.

Why are Hour of Devastation exclusives not craftable yet?

Zzyzzx

Maybe I missed this in the release notes but it looks like Trial of the Planes has refreshing nodes now.  Mine were tapped-out this morning before work at 25/30 points and all empty nodes...and now I have charges and a chance to finish progression.  Big thumbs up!

Edit: After exhausting a node there is no obvious refresh timer.  It's possible that they just added back the missing 3rd charge, which is also, albeit, slightly less fantastic.

ironer

why KLD and AER were moved from standard?
and why it is not in release notes?

Brigby

ironer said:

why KLD and AER were moved from standard?
and why it is not in release notes?

Apologies for the confusion. I had missed that section, when posting the Final Release Notes. I've gone ahead and added it now

DBJones

The way you talk about the standard set rotation makes it sound like AMK might rotate out as soon as Dominaria is released. Is that the plan?

ArielSira

Thank you Oktagon for this update, especially changing a lot of Ixalan cards' cost. And thank you Brigby for keeping us updated and passing on our suggestions and complaints.

ayuready7

Tishana, Voice of Thunder still bugged.

Brigby

@ayuready7 Please ensure that you've successfully updated to the 2.5 update, as this issue should've been fixed in that build. In addition, if you wish to discuss this topic further, please post in the Bugs & Technical Issues thread HERE

Houdin

So... some ok changes to some ok cards. Then you nerf rivers rebuke to make it cost more. The only card in the entire set that was actually worth having? Seriously ???
I really don't think anyone was actually listening to us. Nowhere on this forum has there been any outcry that the card was too good. In fact it was used as a benchmark of how terrible the other cards were compared to it as a fairly decent card.

Fairly decent 
Not op.
Just fairly decent.

Marvaddin

Well, well... I can say I'm happy with most card changes, as almost the entire set was meh. However, I don't feel changes were needed in a few cards we were using already, like Heartless Pillage, Legion's Judgement or Vraska's Contempt. Hmmm, let's see how it goes, but I feel the set has now more normal, regular cards, while keeping almost nothing that is really special. Ridiculously bad cards (like Pirate's Cutlass) are now just weak, and some of the useful cards, are now less useful as well.

Suggestion, @Brigby :

I know there is effort in this, but instead of "cost / P/T changed to X", "increased / decreased from X to Y" would be much more informative. Thanks.

Kinesia

Houdin said:

So... some ok changes to some ok cards. Then you nerf rivers rebuke to make it cost more. The only card in the entire set that was actually worth having? Seriously ???
I really don't think anyone was actually listening to us. Nowhere on this forum has there been any outcry that the card was too good. In fact it was used as a benchmark of how terrible the other cards were compared to it as a fairly decent card.

Fairly decent 
Not op.
Just fairly decent.

It was op and it broke the colour pie. A few people had started saying that and I'd started a suggestion thread on potential safe ways to balance it.
All other board wipes have limits, it does not. Raising the cost probably wasn't the best way to balance it, but it needed _something_.
I personally suggested that since it's technically bounce that it only work on non-token creatures and supports, it's still extremely powerful, but it doesn't completely and totally wreck the other persons board state without warning.


It wasn't the only worthwhile card. It was just the most obviously overpowered one that people could immediately recognise.


RIX has supplied most of the missing pieces to Ixalan, I can see why they pushed it rather than try and "fix" ixalan in a vacuum, attempts to fix things now will work much better, we have more workable parts that we needed, especially in commons and uncommons.

Firinmahlazer

Houdin said:

So... some ok changes to some ok cards. Then you nerf rivers rebuke to make it cost more. The only card in the entire set that was actually worth having? Seriously ???
I really don't think anyone was actually listening to us. Nowhere on this forum has there been any outcry that the card was too good. In fact it was used as a benchmark of how terrible the other cards were compared to it as a fairly decent card.

Fairly decent 
Not op.
Just fairly decent.

Are you kidding me? That card should be a Mythic even for 21 mana. It's stupidly OP and there was plenty of talk of it being OP. I can't say I disagree with a single change that has been made River's Rebuke especially.

Houdin

Hmm.
Well I respect your right to your opinion even though I vehemently disagree with everything you said.

Perhaps now is not the time to also say I do applaud Oktagon fornthe decision to give out an exclusive mythic as a top ten reward?


Haha. Jokes aside, it's the best decision I've seen come from the devs in at least a year.

Gunmix25

Brigby said

2.5 Release Notes

• Tishana, Voice of Thunder now correctly reinforces when she is buffed upon entering the battlefield
• 
  

Did not happen. She's still bugged. Did they forget to upload this fix in the update?

bk1234

Houdin said:

So... some ok changes to some ok cards. Then you nerf rivers rebuke to make it cost more. The only card in the entire set that was actually worth having? Seriously ???
I really don't think anyone was actually listening to us. Nowhere on this forum has there been any outcry that the card was too good. In fact it was used as a benchmark of how terrible the other cards were compared to it as a fairly decent card.

Fairly decent 
Not op.
Just fairly decent.

So you're saying that 18 mana for a rare card that does what (mythic - 18 mana) Engulf the Shore PLUS (rare - 24 mana) Consulate Crackdown does wasn't undercosted?

This was actually one of the smartest nerfs they made, and honestly -- when you look at it from the perspective of what it does compared to other cards that do half and cost the same or more -- it really should cost something like 27 -- so really Oktagon allowed your OP card to stay OP -- and is 3 mana that big of a deal?

Gilesclone

I’ll still play it at 21.

span_argoman

@bken1234 Engulf the Shore bounces back to the library. Technically what we are looking at is a Crush of Tentacles (a 21 mana Mythic) that also bounces supports but without the 16/16 Reach Trample Octopi token.

Plus it bounces the supports before bouncing the creatures, giving you a higher likelihood to destroy the creatures instead.

I don't know what metric @Houdin is using to object against the cost increase for River's Rebuke (though I would very much be interested to hear it), but I think the cost increase is reasonable for something that as people have mentioned, breaks the colour pie and is what I think to be the strongest support removal card in the game.

bk1234

span_argoman said:

@bken1234 Engulf the Shore bounces back to the library. Technically what we are looking at is a Crush of Tentacles (a 21 mana Mythic) that also bounces supports but without the 16/16 Reach Trample Octopi token.

Plus it bounces the supports before bouncing the creatures, giving you a higher likelihood to destroy the creatures instead.

I don't know what metric @Houdin is using to object against the cost increase for River's Rebuke (though I would very much be interested to hear it), but I think the cost increase is reasonable for something that as people have mentioned, breaks the colour pie and is what I think to be the strongest support removal card in the game.

You’re correct. I was just referring to the wipe mechanism. 

It’s still OP at 21, just not as much as it was at 18. 

khurram

Eternalise tokens have the proper art now? Yay.
Or at least the 1/1 kitty does.

It would be nice if they introduced the proper art for some other things too, like the amonkhet planeswalkers... and the token for Desolation Twin.

khurram

Can we get a word on the exclusive cards in Rivals? So far it appears that there are only 2 exclusives, the Immortal sun and the druid that's currently on sale?