AI Deck Prioritization

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  • DBJones
    DBJones Posts: 803 Critical Contributor
    I mostly use my high level Planeswalkers, I was more saying it's better for new players to get just one or two up high enough for PvE, then level a bunch at the same time for a smoother progression. TG is the only place I regularly use a level 1 Planeswalker, and that's more to speed up the battles. I have a decent collection, but haven't gotten any of the HUF/Deploy/Olivia/Pig tier cards.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mainloop25 said:
    To me, using low level walkers is akin to using all-in cycle decks. Sure you can win easier, but are having as much fun doing it? 
    I would disagree, especially with newer walkers. I find I have a harder time winning matches with my low-level Vraska than with a high level, any other planeswalker. This is a lot due to the fact that the mana curves are pretty heavily tilted now to eliminate negative match bonuses at high levels, and the health pools being reduced for these walkers.

    This is especially true when I'm just trying to get runes to level her up and your opponent is just dropping low-cost mythics and masterpieces, while you're struggling just to put out anything.
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    FindingHeart8 said:
    Mainloop25 said:
    To me, using low level walkers is akin to using all-in cycle decks. Sure you can win easier, but are having as much fun doing it? 
    I agree with this 95%, except with Gideon1 (who I read somewhere on these threads is more powerful at level 10 than at level 60).  I never leveled him up past that and I do enjoy using him for weenie battles.
    As I said before, he was back in the beginning, but I thought they changed it (also way back in the day).  It used to be the first level of his first was flying and vigilance, but I think they changed the vigilance until the final level to encourage leveling.  I could be wrong, though.  Its been well over a year now
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    wereotter said:
    Mainloop25 said:
    To me, using low level walkers is akin to using all-in cycle decks. Sure you can win easier, but are having as much fun doing it? 
    I would disagree, especially with newer walkers. I find I have a harder time winning matches with my low-level Vraska than with a high level, any other planeswalker. This is a lot due to the fact that the mana curves are pretty heavily tilted now to eliminate negative match bonuses at high levels, and the health pools being reduced for these walkers.

    This is especially true when I'm just trying to get runes to level her up and your opponent is just dropping low-cost mythics and masterpieces, while you're struggling just to put out anything.

    But I thought that the whole idea is that you throw a low level walker into your node, play a match, then match your other walkers to that level. The fun isn't playing the low level walker, it's stomping a level 15 with your level 60. That's what I thought that was referring to. 
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mainloop25 said:
    wereotter said:
    Mainloop25 said:
    To me, using low level walkers is akin to using all-in cycle decks. Sure you can win easier, but are having as much fun doing it? 
    I would disagree, especially with newer walkers. I find I have a harder time winning matches with my low-level Vraska than with a high level, any other planeswalker. This is a lot due to the fact that the mana curves are pretty heavily tilted now to eliminate negative match bonuses at high levels, and the health pools being reduced for these walkers.

    This is especially true when I'm just trying to get runes to level her up and your opponent is just dropping low-cost mythics and masterpieces, while you're struggling just to put out anything.

    But I thought that the whole idea is that you throw a low level walker into your node, play a match, then match your other walkers to that level. The fun isn't playing the low level walker, it's stomping a level 15 with your level 60. That's what I thought that was referring to. 
    If you wanna throw away every other charge on the node, then I guess.... seems pretty inefficient to me. 
  • DBJones
    DBJones Posts: 803 Critical Contributor
    Now I see why you were saying it was near cycling level cheap Mainloop. I just like facing lower level enemies as they're less likely to have mythics that destroy my more balanced decks. Admittedly I have used the other strategy in TotP while it's free, but I still lose regularly, I have yet to get full progression rewards. The last two nodes are just ridiculous with the giant mana swings that have become common recently.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    wereotter said:
    Mainloop25 said:
    wereotter said:
    Mainloop25 said:
    To me, using low level walkers is akin to using all-in cycle decks. Sure you can win easier, but are having as much fun doing it? 
    I would disagree, especially with newer walkers. I find I have a harder time winning matches with my low-level Vraska than with a high level, any other planeswalker. This is a lot due to the fact that the mana curves are pretty heavily tilted now to eliminate negative match bonuses at high levels, and the health pools being reduced for these walkers.

    This is especially true when I'm just trying to get runes to level her up and your opponent is just dropping low-cost mythics and masterpieces, while you're struggling just to put out anything.

    But I thought that the whole idea is that you throw a low level walker into your node, play a match, then match your other walkers to that level. The fun isn't playing the low level walker, it's stomping a level 15 with your level 60. That's what I thought that was referring to. 
    If you wanna throw away every other charge on the node, then I guess.... seems pretty inefficient to me. 

    No, you lock in your low level opponents before playing the match. Then you play the low level walker last. 
  • TomB
    TomB Posts: 269 Mover and Shaker
    I like using a lower level PW when facing secondary objectives like "end the battle with less than 20 HP" for example. For me, it's easier to only have to lose 20 or 30 HP before trying to regain control of things, rather than having to lose almost 100 HP. Plus, I don't have a lot of runes to throw around in any case, so this way I get some use out of the guys I haven't gotten around to leveling up yet... :)
  • morgue427
    morgue427 Posts: 783 Critical Contributor
    to each their own i guess i have gotten all of my pws leveled up except for 3 and have all but 5 total ( went on a shopping spree on xmas lol), g1 is rotten with a first strike blocker up to keep thie board clear, the gisela and lone rider both work great in that slot buf him or serene stewart and he grows fast too, he was my standard until aether revolt

  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    I simply have _zero_ way to get enough runes to level everyone.

    I _have_ everyone, some at 60, some at 50, 30 and then a HEAP at 20 where they have unlocked all 3 abilities.

    I can only level my favourites. While _technically_ I can grind for runes I'm pushing it just to get every event done and there aren't enough runes in the events.

    And now the matchmaking is reverting to the older nastiness where my level 25 is matched against a level 60 again.

    People have lower level walkers for legitimate reasaons and the matchmaking system needs to be FAR better than it is currently, it's actually gotten worse again than it was a few months ago.

    The people abusing the old old system needed to be stopped, absolutely, then for a short short time it seemed "ok" but now it's back to being horribly broken again.
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    Kinesia said:

    And now the matchmaking is reverting to the older nastiness where my level 25 is matched against a level 60 again.

    I think if you wait to set up your first match until it is a few hours into an event, this will dissipate. It seems this happens early in an event when there are not enough like leveled walkers to match up against. 
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mburn7 said:
    FindingHeart8 said:
    Mainloop25 said:
    To me, using low level walkers is akin to using all-in cycle decks. Sure you can win easier, but are having as much fun doing it? 
    I agree with this 95%, except with Gideon1 (who I read somewhere on these threads is more powerful at level 10 than at level 60).  I never leveled him up past that and I do enjoy using him for weenie battles.
    As I said before, he was back in the beginning, but I thought they changed it (also way back in the day).  It used to be the first level of his first was flying and vigilance, but I think they changed the vigilance until the final level to encourage leveling.  I could be wrong, though.  Its been well over a year now
    No you're right in that it's just flying and +1/+1 now, no vigilance until later.

    I've found that his benefit at a low level are the mana gains (he's +0 or +1 across the board) which works pretty well when facing the low level new walkers (many of which have many -2 or -1s at that level).

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