4 Years ago to the day

freakygeek

Found this in my photos dated 1/2/2014 (I cropped it so the photo info may be off)



My roster has changed a bit since then

Spudgutter

mexus said:

Woa, is Invisible Woman that old.

I believe she was the second 4*.  Her and XFW were the only two for the longest time.

GrimSkald

mexus said:

Woa, is Invisible Woman that old.

And she suuuuuuuuuucked.

thedarkphoenix

Back when Xforce wolverine beat everything clean, without even breaking a sweat 

GrimSkald

thedarkphoenix said:

Back when Xforce wolverine beat everything clean, without even breaking a sweat 

Actually, no.  XForce Wolverine (if he was in the game yet,) sucked too.   The first two 4*s were awful.   They definitely had something very different in mind when they designed them - they had very expensive powers because the devs expected the matches to run longer with 4*s.  I mean, they do, but they expected a lot longer.  Originally IW's powers cost 18(14 with 5 covers,)/13/9.  I can't find an old version of X-Force, but as I recall he was RGY and had ridiculously over-costed powers.    He created strikes with Green, Red destroyed two rows, and Yellow had a CD that healed more as you got more covers, but also went up in time.  IIRC, it was 7 turns at 5 covers, I am not tinykittying you here.

Quebbster

GrimSkald said:

thedarkphoenix said:

Back when Xforce wolverine beat everything clean, without even breaking a sweat 

Actually, no.  XForce Wolverine (if he was in the game yet,) sucked too.   The first two 4*s were awful.   They definitely had something very different in mind when they designed them - they had very expensive powers because the devs expected the matches to run longer with 4*s.  I mean, they do, but they expected a lot longer.  Originally IW's powers cost 18(14 with 5 covers,)/13/9.  I can't find an old version of X-Force, but as I recall he was RGY and had ridiculously over-costed powers.    He created strikes with Green, Red destroyed two rows, and Yellow had a CD that healed more as you got more covers, but also went up in time.  IIRC, it was 7 turns at 5 covers, I am not tinykittying you here.

Sounds about right to me. Nick Fury was the first fourstar that people were actually actively pursuing, and then Thor arrived to show what a truly powerful 4* could look like. At the same time Wolverine got redesigned, and the dual fourstar era began...

Hendross

XFW redesign was the first time i bought covers with (2500) HP.  Surgical Strike (w/AP gen) was siiick.

thedarkphoenix

GrimSkald said:

thedarkphoenix said:

Back when Xforce wolverine beat everything clean, without even breaking a sweat 

Actually, no.  XForce Wolverine (if he was in the game yet,) sucked too.   The first two 4*s were awful.   They definitely had something very different in mind when they designed them - they had very expensive powers because the devs expected the matches to run longer with 4*s.  I mean, they do, but they expected a lot longer.  Originally IW's powers cost 18(14 with 5 covers,)/13/9.  I can't find an old version of X-Force, but as I recall he was RGY and had ridiculously over-costed powers.    He created strikes with Green, Red destroyed two rows, and Yellow had a CD that healed more as you got more covers, but also went up in time.  IIRC, it was 7 turns at 5 covers, I am not tinykittying you here.

I actually dont recall that, I know IW sucked bad, but I do vaguely recall that the 1st 4 star that everyone wanted was NF.

But you right I remember when Xforce got buffed and was a must have.

GrimSkald

thedarkphoenix said:

I actually dont recall that, I know IW sucked bad, but I do vaguely recall that the 1st 4 star that everyone wanted was NF.

But you right I remember when Xforce got buffed and was a must have.

Yep.  NF came out and everyone was like "What?  4*s aren't supposed to suck?"  Then they came out with the (pre-Nerf) Goddess Thor and buffed X-Force at about the same time and everyone said "Daaaaaaamn!  4*s are supposed to rule!"  Then they came out with Elektra and the original (awful) Star Lord - it was "Huh.  That was not what I was expecting."  We didn't get another solidly good 4* until HB, though Prof X has his uses of course.

They nerfed GT first (she needed it, but they nerfed her a bit too hard,) then a month or two went by before they nerfed X-Force (likewise.)  The X-Force nerf post went well into the 30s in pages, as I recall...

GritsNGravy

Ah yes, the XF + GT nerf were some dark days...  I went super hard to get GT (spent significant money for the time buying covers). 

Dogface

Invisible Woman was there right at the start, but you might have missed her, as she was invisible at that time

Punisher5784

The first thing that came to mind to me was the fact you leveled IM40! He was one of the worst 3*s prior to his rebalance. You were forced to cover him 5/5/2 or 1 because his yellow increased in cost with each cover level.

The amusing part is Rags was actually really good back then prior to his rebalance.. he only had two powers but his green was crazy cheap and it caused massive cascades. His red made green tiles cheaply too. I hated facing him back then. 

Orion

I remember winning a PvP event and getting an Invisible Woman cover.  I was excited and too new to realize that she sucked. Probably the last time I won a PvP event too since it kicked me out of the noob brackets.

Punisher5784

GrimSkald said:

thedarkphoenix said:

Back when Xforce wolverine beat everything clean, without even breaking a sweat 

I can't find an old version of X-Force, but as I recall he was RGY and had ridiculously over-costed powers.    He created strikes with Green, Red destroyed two rows, and Yellow had a CD that healed more as you got more covers, but also went up in time.  IIRC, it was 7 turns at 5 covers, I am not tinykittying you here.

Here's Punisher with some useful (or useless) MPQ history! See below

Wolverine (X-Force)
4 Star Rarity (Legendary) Discussion link. Wiki link
At Max Level: HP:9328 Tile damage: 55/62/10/9/70/9

X-Force - Green 15 AP
Wolverine shreds, creating a 3x3 X-shaped pattern of Strike tiles centered on the selected tile's location. Only transforms basic color tiles.
Level Upgrades

Level 2: 5x5 slash. Level 3: Also affects Strike and Protect tiles. Level 4: 7x7 slash. Level 5: Affects all tile types.

Max Level: Damage increased by 15 per Strike tile

Enraged Slash - Red 15 AP
Wolverine slashes the enemy, dealing 420 to the current target and shredding the selected tile's row.
Level Upgrades

Level 2: +25% damage Level 3: Slashes rows above and below the selected tile instead of one row. Level 4: +25% damage Level 5: Slashes three rows centered on the selected tile.

Max Level: 2313 damage

Recovery - Yellow 10 AP
Wolverine starts the process of regeneration. Creates a 5 turn Countdown tile that heals 420 damage, and another 42 for every yellow AP.
Level Upgrades

Level 2: Reduces countdown to 3 turns. Level 3: +20% base heal. Level 4: +40% base heal. Level 5: +300% base heal. Increases countdown to 7.

Max Level: Heals 4626HP and additional 153HP per yellow AP

Quebbster

Dogface said:

Invisible Woman was there right at the start, but you might have missed her, as she was invisible at that time

Invisible Woman was not in the game from the start, she was an early fourstar release in late 2013. I Think X-force Wolverine was in the game from the start though.

Chrono_Tata

I think back then, the devs did come out and say that 4-star characters were meant to be bad as they are just meant to be "trophy" characters that you collect for fun and has no bearing on your gameplay. They did have a ton of health compared to 3-stars though which had its benefits. Only when Nick Fury was introduced that they changed the design philosophy of 4-stars.

dr tinykittylove

IM40 might not have been top of the meta ever,, but he was more than serviceable against others in his tier back then. One of my first fully covered 3*s along with punpun  

thedarkphoenix

I think this was also when true healing was the default for healing, so people would do the prologue with spiderman to heal there team up to keep grinding.

freakygeek

thedarkphoenix said:

I think this was also when true healing was the default for healing, so people would do the prologue with spiderman to heal there team up to keep grinding.

Shortly after this I acquired several Spiderman cards and used him the prologue for healing (usually would 100% heal in the PVP match). I would stun lock in PVP with Spiderman and usually use GSBW and Punisher (Molotov is brutal if enemy team can't clear the tiles). Kept me in a top 25 alliance. When they nerfed Spiderman I took a 3 month break until true healing got ditched. At the time of the roster I posted I was using IM40 as a tank and using a pre-nerf 2*Thor/2*Storm.

scottee

And Nick Fury's release was only a single cover as the season alliance placement reward. Alliance play was so dang competitive then, as it was the only way to get his covers. 1 color each for the first 3 seasons.

It was the most competitive time in the history of MPQ.