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  • Rhasget
    Rhasget Posts: 412 Mover and Shaker
    Lightcell said:
    Are people pulling rares that aren't in the pack or did I miss something? Thought could only pull a card that was shown in the pack. 
    The gifted pack was from another rotation than the current one.
    I got the mighty Magmaroth in both gifted packs.
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Rhasget

    the mighty morphin Magmaroth
  • DaddyO
    DaddyO Posts: 51 Match Maker
    The new Dev’s Are being good to us. Bolas was only 850 crystals and it came with a mythic Sphinx and a rare.
    NPR ran a story on disappointment with gifts and they cited research that suggested that when the packaging looks fancy it raises our expectations and we have a heightened sense of disappointment when the actual gift is less than our built up anticipation. This gift with its potential Masterpiece and Mythic cards is the definition of a shiny package that most likely contains a mediocre present. 
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    bken1234 said:
    I got the same dupe rare that I got on the 10th -- I'm not upset at all -- it was 100 free crafting orbs. 

    I don't understand the "It's free. but not good enough" mentality. You either got a new rare, mythic or masterpiece (all were pulled by players in our alliance) or 100-5000 crafting orbs -- it's a gift either way -- and it was FREE!

    Thanks D3!
    You might be oversimplifying it a bit.  I think these reactions are carryover from previous times.

    While free things are great, until recently the new/dupe drop has been incredibly skewed (some rares much more common to pull than others) and no boostercrafting to look forward to.  So before this month, it was almost like

    "Hey! Here's a free reminder that you can't pull a good card to save your life, enjoy your cruddy dupe rare, would you like to exchange it for the 100 runes you don't need?"

    Things have changed, thanks to Octagon.  I predict that over time, the salt for dupe rares will probably change as well, now that dupes actually have a use.
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    edited December 2017
    FindingHeart8 said:
    until recently the new/dupe drop has been incredibly skewed (some rares much more common to pull than others)
    You might mean that until recently, your luck (i.e. your actual distribution of card drops) sucked, and recently, your luck has improved.  Recent evidence here shows drop rates (the a priori chance of certain cards dropping) may be skewed for some select cards (you can see the list of affected cards in the first post there).  But that's not "until recently"; it's still ongoing as far as anyone can tell.  And whether it's "incredibly" skewed hasn't really been established; all we know is that some group of cards has at least a measurably lower chance.

    Anyway, if it is just luck, the good news is your luck for a future event doesn't depend on anything, including past luck, so I hope your future luck is good.
  • Snappyturtle
    Snappyturtle Posts: 133 Tile Toppler
    On the 10th I got Accursed Horde. New rare for me since I have been focusing on the Amonkhet cards because of Gods(Rhonas+Reach is broken).

    For the second Elite I got Quarry Beetle. Got orbs for crafting, because I just unwrapped one a couple days earlier from the monthly Elite pack. All in all, it's been good for me. A relatively new player.
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2017
    Volrak said:
    FindingHeart8 said:
    until recently the new/dupe drop has been incredibly skewed (some rares much more common to pull than others)
    You might mean that until recently, your luck (i.e. your actual distribution of card drops) sucked, and recently, your luck has improved.  Recent evidence here shows drop rates (the a priori chance of certain cards dropping) may be skewed for some select cards (you can see the list of affected cards in the first post there).  But that's not "until recently"; it's still ongoing as far as anyone can tell.  And whether it's "incredibly" skewed hasn't really been established; all we know is that some group of cards has at least a measurably lower chance.

    Anyway, if it is just luck, the good news is your luck for a future event doesn't depend on anything, including past luck, so I hope your future luck is good.
    Oh I have no doubt my luck sucked lol, and it may have been just that.  I hope there's more to it though, for the sake of all players' future draws.

    Yes, I've seen your drop rate data.  I would debate the claim of it as "evidence" however...being fourth-hand information from an unknown source, with partial data, and cards that were never released in the game.  While the devil's advocate in me could imagine scenarios where this information is plausible (and it also being easier given the lack of alternative sources to look at), it is still not a source I'd put significant weight on.

    That being said, I want to also add that I have great respect for your pursuit to discover some form of measurement for the probability of pulling cards, and your willingness to publicly disclose that information.  We, as players, do need some sort of awareness to the likelihood of getting the card(s) we want, especially if we're spending real money in the pursuit.
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    FindingHeart8 said:
    bken1234 said:
    I got the same dupe rare that I got on the 10th -- I'm not upset at all -- it was 100 free crafting orbs. 

    I don't understand the "It's free. but not good enough" mentality. You either got a new rare, mythic or masterpiece (all were pulled by players in our alliance) or 100-5000 crafting orbs -- it's a gift either way -- and it was FREE!

    Thanks D3!
    You might be oversimplifying it a bit.  I think these reactions are carryover from previous times.

    While free things are great, until recently the new/dupe drop has been incredibly skewed (some rares much more common to pull than others) and no boostercrafting to look forward to.  So before this month, it was almost like

    "Hey! Here's a free reminder that you can't pull a good card to save your life, enjoy your cruddy dupe rare, would you like to exchange it for the 100 runes you don't need?"

    Things have changed, thanks to Octagon.  I predict that over time, the salt for dupe rares will probably change as well, now that dupes actually have a use.
    Free is free — and in this case I’m not oversimplifying because it was a guaranteed rare or better. 

    They dont owe us gifts, they don’t owe us compensation for anything, ever, unless there is a problem with a purchase made with real money.

    They don’t even have an obligation to let anything good drop from free packs.

    You should be happy when you get anything better than a common. You just got a better free thing that someone else, and they didn’t have to give it to you. 

    And when you get a dupe common, well you just got a free thing that combined with other free things is going to help you case even better free things. 

    This is is a free game, no one is entitled to anything other than the people who pay for exclusive cards, packs and PW — and those people are only entitled to what they pay for. 

    Im grateful for any gift I receive, in the digital and real worlds. 
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2017
    bken1234 said:
    FindingHeart8 said:
    bken1234 said:
    I got the same dupe rare that I got on the 10th -- I'm not upset at all -- it was 100 free crafting orbs. 

    I don't understand the "It's free. but not good enough" mentality. You either got a new rare, mythic or masterpiece (all were pulled by players in our alliance) or 100-5000 crafting orbs -- it's a gift either way -- and it was FREE!

    Thanks D3!
    You might be oversimplifying it a bit.  I think these reactions are carryover from previous times.

    While free things are great, until recently the new/dupe drop has been incredibly skewed (some rares much more common to pull than others) and no boostercrafting to look forward to.  So before this month, it was almost like

    "Hey! Here's a free reminder that you can't pull a good card to save your life, enjoy your cruddy dupe rare, would you like to exchange it for the 100 runes you don't need?"

    Things have changed, thanks to Octagon.  I predict that over time, the salt for dupe rares will probably change as well, now that dupes actually have a use.
    Free is free — and in this case I’m not oversimplifying because it was a guaranteed rare or better. 

    They dont owe us gifts, they don’t owe us compensation for anything, ever, unless there is a problem with a purchase made with real money.

    They don’t even have an obligation to let anything good drop from free packs.

    You should be happy when you get anything better than a common. You just got a better free thing that someone else, and they didn’t have to give it to you. 

    And when you get a dupe common, well you just got a free thing that combined with other free things is going to help you case even better free things. 

    This is is a free game, no one is entitled to anything other than the people who pay for exclusive cards, packs and PW — and those people are only entitled to what they pay for. 

    Im grateful for any gift I receive, in the digital and real worlds. 
    I understand that is how you see it.  I was simply explaining how other people might see it different than you, and the reasons behind it.  You did say earlier that you didn't understand why they thought that way, I assumed you wanted some clarification to the matter.

    I definitely agree with you that no one is "entitled" to anything they didn't pay for, but not everything free is of value.  You don't collect every penny you find off the street or keep every pamphlet/advertisement you were given do you?  I would assume not, because those objects are of little value to you.

    Prior to booster crafting, I could see an argument being made for dupe rares or less being of negligible value, especially when you had no need for runes and when the future of this game was uncertain.

    And while a business doesn't "owe" us anything we didn't pay for, providing courtesy gifts of value does help in player retention, and is good marketing.  Businesses who don't try to create the impression that they care about their consumers are at a disadvantage to those who do.

    Again though, I predict the negative view of dupes will be changing overall now that we have Octagon and booster crafting, and I'm happy about that :)

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