I don't want to hoard, but...

Rumakashi

I will be forced to...

I play every day, I'm doing CL8 events for progression, often top 100.
I play pvp less, trying to do at least 575 for the first cp rewards.

I have all 3* championned (not maxed soon), doing the 2* rotation for prizes and and xp and recently doing 1* rotation only for xp.

I have 11 4* championned, but I have pulled the 14th cover of Iceman (which sits lvl 128 right now). I have 3 others sitting à 13 covers.

How is it possible to progress when I can't use the CP and LT to gain XP and champion's rewards ?I will still open HT, but I know I shouldn't too.

Championning a 4* hero takes me nearly 10 days, a cover last 15. If I pull a cover for another hero which sit at 13 covers I know I won't be able to manage his leveling.

And don't ever talk about spending money for this, a 4* championning is the equivalent of 500 bucks.

I hate hoarding, but you forced me to.

ThaRoadWarrior

Try referring to it as "saving up" instead of "hoarding," maybe it won't feel so bad.

PolarPopBear

Sadly once have a few useable 4* the best choice is to hoard since it sucks so much iso levelling each 4*.  If you open legends you end up burning covers.  It will continue to be the best option until they increase iso gain or stop allowing covers to expire, and 2 have another solution to the 5* dilution other than save 300 tokens and go all in on the current set of 3.

Doc L

I may start ‘saving’ given my abysmal LT luck recently (1/22 as it stands over the last week and a bit). The RNG nature of this exercise is really getting  To me

Straycat

Don't want to hoard, then don't. During the frenetic vaulting period, I had 3 heros covered with covers on the vine. I kept opening tokens for the iso, and occasionally had to sell usable covers. I also sometimes got lucky with the timing of shield level increasing and max 2* so with a couple days before expiration I got the iso needed. I liked to add up the iso needed then divide by days left to see how much was needed on average.
Selling covers isn't the worst thing in the world. I think a wasted cover is not as bad as wasted iso on a not good 4*.

To me it doesn't even sound like you're in that bad of a spot. With 11 champs and only 3 covered, I feel you could keep opening without really worrying about getting that 14th cover. In your transition state you are probably more likely to pull an unusable cover rather than a 14th cover.

Ruinate

With only 11 champs you still have a long way to go.  Don't hoard if you don't want to.  It's not that big of a deal to sell for iso.  I've seen people hoard forever and then say the game got boring and quit.  It's silly and makes no sense. 

animaniactoo

I hoard only long enough to champ whoever I have to champ before I can realistically pull the next cover and be able to champ the character if it's a 14th cover.

Did 2 of those in a row recently (one came from progression rewards, the other was a bonus hero - managed it by the skin of my teeth).

Then I spree and pull as much as I can until I end up back at the start of the loop OR I hit my CP "just in case" baseline. It was a fun spree. Ended up about 1/2 way to the next rank.

soapblaster

I am getting ready to enter the 5* arena, and am hoarding myself, as a result. I have 5 5* chars ready to champ, but I want to get at least 3 of them champed at the same time. (They are currently all sitting at 355. I'll be hoarding cover pulls until I have close to 1 million ISO.

Jarvind

You don't have to. Just gotta be OK with selling a lot of covers.

I found it more rewarding to fight the temptation and only pull when I had ISO to champ. Okay, mostly. I was weak once or twice and let myself pull a dozen or so LTs. The first cover I had to sell always set me back to hoard mode, though.

Anyway, the point is that if you stick with it long enough, eventually you'll outpace new releases and can pull more or less at will. Granted, when I started there were only maybe 12 or 13 4* characters, so the timeline is a lot longer now than it was then. At this point it might make more sense to make the jump to 5* play as soon as you can, then go back to finish the 4* tier.

broll

Hoarding is the most powerful roster building tool you have. You should learn to embrace it. 

Quebbster

I really wish the ISO cost to max a fourstar could be adjusted.

A twostar costs around 70K ISO to max.

A threestar costs around 120K ISO to max, approximately twice the cost of a two-star.

A fourstar costs around 350 K ISO to max, approximately Three times the cost of a Three-star

A fivestar costs around 550K ISO to max, approximately 50% more than a fourstar.

If the cost to max a fourstar was adjusted to around 270K ISO, the jumps would be a lot smoother - each tier would cost approximately half of the one below. The costs were set when fourstars were the endgame, but now that is not the case anymore and with more and more fourstars the cost should be adjusted to allow junior players to Catch up to veterans.

Quebbster

mexus said:

Quebbster said:

I really wish the ISO cost to max a fourstar could be adjusted.

A twostar costs around 70K ISO to max.

A threestar costs around 120K ISO to max, approximately twice the cost of a two-star.

A fourstar costs around 350 K ISO to max, approximately Three times the cost of a Three-star

A fivestar costs around 550K ISO to max, approximately 50% more than a fourstar.

If the cost to max a fourstar was adjusted to around 270K ISO, the jumps would be a lot smoother - each tier would cost approximately half of the one below. The costs were set when fourstars were the endgame, but now that is not the case anymore and with more and more fourstars the cost should be adjusted to allow junior players to Catch up to veterans.

I hope They read this. And reconsider. Lowering ISO costs for 4*'s. Refunding the surplus ISO we spent so far! Yes!

They didn't give an ISO refund last time they adjusted leveling costs (for two- and threestar characters), so I doubt we'd get a refund now. Still, reducing the costs would only help.

Yoik

Hoarding isn’t such a bad thing. It allows you to effectively control your roster as much as you are able to in this game. Before long you will have a sizable stash and you can pick and choose what to do with it. I was in much the same position as you earlier this year and I saved up. Maybe a month ago now I pulled my first half of the hoard and ended up with pp / dd and gambit covered. Then when thors special vault came out I blew another half of what I had left and luckily covered thor dr strange and banner ( well maybe not that lucky )

now im waiting for the special vault for the new 5 star to come out then I will blow the 170 odd pulls I have left on that. I may cover him and the 2 others like I was able to with thor I may not, but hoarding has allowed me to jump from a 4 star player to a minnow 5 star. This time next week ( if that’s when the vault is out )  I could have 8 fully champed 5s and it was all down to hoarding.

 

If you want control do it with the mind to being in a better position later. It works. Sometimes you need to take a step back to plan for the future

PenniesForEveryone

Rumakashi said:

Championning a 4* hero takes me nearly 10 days, a cover last 15. If I pull a cover for another hero which sit at 13 covers I know I won't be able to manage his leveling.

And don't ever talk about spending money for this, a 4* championning is the equivalent of 500 bucks.

I hate hoarding, but you forced me to.

What you are doing is barely considered hoarding, you are just opening your tokens strategically in a way that minimizes waste - it's just the smart thing to do.  Much like we tell new players not to open tokens when they can't afford to roster a new character - seasoned players are smart not to open tokens if they don't have the ISO to champ a character that lands a 14th cover.

Calnexin

Hoarding is the smart play with 11 champs, but take heart - it gets easier.  At 1 every 10 days it'll take over a year to "catch up", but you can get there without spending money.  Every 4* you champ decreases the odds of pulling a 14th cover, which extends your ability to pull without waste.

I champed my first character in Aug 2016 and I've only got 4 classics and 3 latests unchamped now.  I pull everything immediately and haven't wasted a cover in months.  You'll get there if you don't take breaks or downshift your play.

Huntah86

As someone before said, this isn't hoarding it's saving up and playing smart.  You don't HAVE to do that, it's just the smart play to limit waste.  I champed my first 4* roughly a year or so ago and as of now I have every 4* champed except Nightcrawler (one cover away), MEH Hulk (half way there) and Nico (I only have 4 covers for her) and I always did the same thing.  Pull tokens as soon as I can but if I end up with 14 covers for somebody I stop until they're champed, rinse and repeat.  It might be a bit boring between 14 covers but it's a blast opening up a bunch at once and now I'm at the point now where there's only 5 covers in total that I couldn't use just yet. 

Daredevil217

Lets look at my account... 6300 CP, 75 LT and I even just started hoarding heroics and am already at 60+ (2 10 packs).  I could (and have) not open a token in a year and probably still have cover waste due to 900 PVP and top10 PVE. Those covers naturally come so much faster than I have the Iso to cover them and so it’s easy to hoard. For a long time Legendary tokens/CP have done little for my progression.

Case in point, between PVE/PVP I got like 5-6 Moonknight covers making him go from lowest 4 to ready to champ. So after scraping and clawing and dipping into the 2 farm I Champed him and got #2 in his PVE (he was super fun!).  In PVP I got a 14th Mockingbird for reaching 900 and I just pulled a Gambit whose champ level will give me an unusable 13th Rogue. So with no token help I Champed MK and have two more ready to champ. Kind of. I’m going to bust the heroic hoard, stockpiled event tokens, and if I have to, open some LT fishing for a useable Rogue before applying Gambits cover. But yeah all this and a I have less than 20k iso lol. Hoarding just makes sense with my cover acquisition rate. 

I have zero usable 5s (all low covers and 255), 42 4* champs, the above 2 on deck to be Champed and then 16 more left (9 Classic, 6 Latest, 1 Howard). 

Edit: And I see Mr. Fantastic is up for reward. So that’s potentially 3-4 more covers and mine is already at 13 covers. Already in a huge iso hole I’d likely have to sell them or bump Bobbi/Rogue forgoing a top tier latest character. These are the choices I’m often faced with even not opening. 

Rumakashi

Opened 3 tacos today considering the low odds, got cover 14 for awesome hulk. Like I said before, not sure to be able to champion him.

Maybe should hoard HT now, and opening tacos only if the 4* are safe... And mostly praying to have soon double iso on christmas.

smkspy

Sometimes you just have to sell covers. It happens at every stage of the game. As a 2* player, I sold off every moonstone, Daken, and bullseye cover I pulled. As a 3* player, I sold off countless rags, sentrys, and psylockes while I champed other 3s. As a 4*, it was Elektra, Mr. Fantastic, spiderwoman, and many 6th power covers. BUT while I sold off those covers, I gained covers for better characters to champ. So while people were champing Mr fantastic and Elektra as their first champs, I had Iceman, rulk, and cyclops has mine.

I've only hoarded twice in my 3 years of play and today I have 54 champed 4s in little over a year. Cover waste is just a fact of the game, but it's just a cover. They come and they go, just like any other resource.

Pr0spect0r

I've been hoarding since mid November to pull everything for my birthday for **** and giggles. So far I have 380 standard, 235 elite, 67 heroic with 2 ten packs, 11 latest and 681 cp. And about 80 of each taco

Pants1000

smkspy said:

Sometimes you just have to sell covers. It happens at every stage of the game. As a 2* player, I sold off every moonstone, Daken, and bullseye cover I pulled. As a 3* player, I sold off countless rags, sentrys, and psylockes while I champed other 3s. As a 4*, it was Elektra, Mr. Fantastic, spiderwoman, and many 6th power covers. BUT while I sold off those covers, I gained covers for better characters to champ. So while people were champing Mr fantastic and Elektra as their first champs, I had Iceman, rulk, and cyclops has mine.

I've only hoarded twice in my 3 years of play and today I have 54 champed 4s in little over a year. Cover waste is just a fact of the game, but it's just a cover. They come and they go, just like any other resource.

Yep, it’s ok to sell some covers.  It’s good to minimize it, but it’s not terrible.  I only hoarded once for a month, shortly after vaulting was introduced because there was a 50% chance I’d pull a cover I couldn’t use.  After a month I let a couple weaker ones leave the latest, saved up ISO, then I was able to pull everything.

If there’s a 10% chance you’ll pull an unusable cover, oh well.  When it’s 50%, then it’s time to hoard.