Let's fix the PvP progression rewards

WelcomeDeath

aa25 said:

I totally agree with the proposed reward structure.

However, I would like to add another point.

The reason why 800 and 900 are difficult to reach currently is because of the point loss ratio is quite high around 8-900 hundred (which causes 575 to be the  'convenient 10 cp' stop mark).

This reward structure makes sense only if the point loss ratio is left intact.

The op doesn't suggest the change to the point loss ratio, but I want to put it out here, just in case the devs have this in mind.

Change BOTH reward structure AND point loss ratio such that players start to lose more point at lower point WON'T work.

Wait, what?  You've got it backwards.  The point loss ratio has nothing to do with players not getting to 800 or 900.  The cp at 575 does.  3* players made 900 easy every event until they put that there.  Within like 2 weeks of that award going there, that stopped.  Why?  Because why would you push to 800 for a 3* cover when you already got half a 4* cover?  

Another thing about point loss.  When they changed defensive team setups , they also adjusted the line where points gained by an attacker = points lost by you.  It used to be 1000, now it's somewhere around 1200.  

During wins progression, 3* guys found themselves doing the impossible - getting to 800 or 900 on one climb!  They didn't change the way points were earned, but guys in that tier played more.  

Finally, in response to the original post...those checkpoints are all entirely too low.  Put the 3* at 575.  Put another 3* at 800.  Put the 4* at 900.  Put 10 cp at 1000 and the other 15 at 1.2k.  Progression awards that are...progressive.  fill in the gaps with hp and iso rewards.  Gotta hop to get cp? That's not a bad thing and, hey, if you pass an hp reward along the way you've partially paid for the hop.  

If this seems too high, then maybe just put every progression reward between 0 and 101 points, including both chunks of cp.  Play 3 seeds and done.  Any higher and people resort to all kinds of crazy tactics, like actually playing the game.

Ruinate

Welcome Death said:

aa25 said:

I totally agree with the proposed reward structure.

However, I would like to add another point.

The reason why 800 and 900 are difficult to reach currently is because of the point loss ratio is quite high around 8-900 hundred (which causes 575 to be the  'convenient 10 cp' stop mark).

This reward structure makes sense only if the point loss ratio is left intact.

The op doesn't suggest the change to the point loss ratio, but I want to put it out here, just in case the devs have this in mind.

Change BOTH reward structure AND point loss ratio such that players start to lose more point at lower point WON'T work.

Wait, what?  You've got it backwards.  The point loss ratio has nothing to do with players not getting to 800 or 900.  The cp at 575 does.  3* players made 900 easy every event until they put that there.  Within like 2 weeks of that award going there, that stopped.  Why?  Because why would you push to 800 for a 3* cover when you already got half a 4* cover?  

Another thing about point loss.  When they changed defensive team setups , they also adjusted the line where points gained by an attacker = points lost by you.  It used to be 1000, now it's somewhere around 1200.  

During wins progression, 3* guys found themselves doing the impossible - getting to 800 or 900 on one climb!  They didn't change the way points were earned, but guys in that tier played more.  

Finally, in response to the original post...those checkpoints are all entirely too low.  Put the 3* at 575.  Put another 3* at 800.  Put the 4* at 900.  Put 10 cp at 1000 and the other 15 at 1.2k.  Progression awards that are...progressive.  fill in the gaps with hp and iso rewards.  Gotta hop to get cp? That's not a bad thing and, hey, if you pass an hp reward along the way you've partially paid for the hop.  

If this seems too high, then maybe just put every progression reward between 0 and 101 points, including both chunks of cp.  Play 3 seeds and done.  Any higher and people resort to all kinds of crazy tactics, like actually playing the game.

Yep people need to play more.  During wins progression there were SO many 4* players floating around 2700 because they kept playing since they didn't reach their 74 wins or whatever that ridiculous number was.  Now that we are back to points I guarantee 4* players aren't going beyond 2200.  Putting good rewards down low will cause many people to stop there which then makes it harder for other people who want to go beyond that.  

Orion

Good point on people stopping at 575 making it harder for people to go past that.  If we go by PvE rewards, the 4* cover actually comes before the CP.  And there's 2 different 3* rewards.  So let's try this instead:

25 - Standard Token
50 - 750 ISO
100 - Elite token 
200 - Event token
300 - 3* cover
400 - 50 HP
500 - Event token
575 - 3* cover
650 - 4* cover
725 - 10 CP
800 - Event token
825 - 2500 ISO
900 - 100 HP
1000 - 3000 ISO
1100 - Event token
1200 - 15 CP

Would that work better?

WelcomeDeath

Orion said:

Good point on people stopping at 575 making it harder for people to go past that.  If we go by PvE rewards, the 4* cover actually comes before the CP.  And there's 2 different 3* rewards.  So let's try this instead:

25 - Standard Token
50 - 750 ISO
100 - Elite token 
200 - Event token
300 - 3* cover
400 - 50 HP
500 - Event token
575 - 3* cover
650 - 4* cover
725 - 10 CP
800 - Event token
825 - 2500 ISO
900 - 100 HP
1000 - 3000 ISO
1100 - Event token
1200 - 15 CP

Would that work better?

No, that's just as silly.  725 is too low as the last meaningful reward before the 15 cp.  Like I said, first 3 at 600, second at 800.  Cp at 900, 4* at 1k.