How much $$ to get every card in this game?

Roco32373
Roco32373 Posts: 10 Just Dropped In
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I’m curious. I like to collect and I like to win haha. 

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  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    All of the money
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Well literally cannot get the pie network at the moment, so there's that 
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    someone calculated it, it was $ 150.000,= if I remember correctly
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Any such calculation needs to be accompanied by a confidence level.

    Theoretically you could spend the world's gdp and not get the full set. 
  • Emanon2000
    Emanon2000 Posts: 156 Tile Toppler
    It would be cheapest to just buy D3.  

    Then you could rename it Duel Monsters, Call yourself Pegasus, and do whatever you want!

    Did I get carried away again?
  • TheDragonHermit
    TheDragonHermit Posts: 465 Mover and Shaker
    Emanon2000 said:
    It would be cheapest to just buy D3.  

    Then you could rename it Duel Monsters, Call yourself Pegasus, and do whatever you want!

    Did I get carried away again?
    Indeed you did Yugi boy
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor
    Save your money.  The cards have an expiration date (ie. Standard).
  • Abenjes
    Abenjes Posts: 253 Mover and Shaker
    there's no way to get all the cards, I'm putting my foil cap on and suggesting that there is an algorithm or some such that make different cards for different people impossible to pull.
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUeuf0BcOlNHpt3dA7SQ838ws7AOlWMEz-4AAG2dYrE/edit#gid=545160007

    So assuming the drop rates are correctly stated on this website (which should be very close with a lot of data entered), I believe Volrak calculated of an entire set (including masterpeices) to have a 50% chance of getting all of the cards you would have to spend about $8000 at the current rate.  I think without masterpeices it was $1600?  This was looking at the AKH set I believe.  It will change based on the number of mythics/masterpeices in the set.  

    Anyway, the answer is way way too much.  But yea, many of us agree that MTG is a collectible game at its core, and really don't understand the draw back to making MTGPQ tap into this fanaticism. 


  • Sirchombli
    Sirchombli Posts: 322 Mover and Shaker
    I don't really think you could get a reliable calculation. The means by which you acquire cards is too random. Let's say they give you a pie network again this Christmas, just the amount you would have to spend on the kaladesh masterpieces, alone would give you a nosebleed. And drop rates on mythics ain't pretty, either. I'm just going to call it nigh impossible 
  • Dropspot
    Dropspot Posts: 200 Tile Toppler
    @Volrak I assume @Sirchombli comments is a challenge...

    And I am sure you get us a pretty good idea of how much would be needed...

    Also I am pretty curious about that.
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    edited September 2017
    Eh, alright then.
                               All Rares   All Mythics  All Masterpieces<br>Num unique cards at rarity: 314         183          40<br>Avg drops at rarity needed: 1980        1055         171<br>Avg 5-packs needed:         4.9k        22k          60k<br>Avg cost in crystals:       0.3m        1.3m         3.6m<br>Avg cost in AU$:            $15,600     $71,400      $192,000
    Assuming buying packs with crystals, and crystals with cash, these are average costs in AU$, depending on whether you're satisfied with having all rares, all mythics, or all masterpieces.  (You can work out the cost in other currencies based on what you get charged for the required number of crystals.)

    They're only averages, so as Sirchombli may be alluding to, some players would pay significantly less and others significantly more, depending on usual RNG luck.

    [EDIT: Divided by 5, because 5-packs have 5 cards in them!]
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    Volrak said:
    Eh, alright then.
                               All Rares   All Mythics  All Masterpieces<br>Num unique cards at rarity: 314         183          40<br>Avg drops at rarity needed: 1980        1055         171<br>Avg 5-packs needed:         49k         112k         321k<br>Avg cost in crystals:       1.5m        6.7m         19.2m<br>Avg cost in AU$:            $77,900     $358,000     $1,026,000
    Assuming buying packs with crystals, and crystals with cash, these are average costs in AU$, depending on whether you're satisfied with having all rares, all mythics, or all masterpieces.  (You can work out the cost in other currencies based on what you get charged for the required number of crystals.)

    They're only averages, so as Sirchombli may be alluding to, some players would pay significantly less and others significantly more, depending on usual RNG luck.

    Hey @Volrak, is this is correct that is absolutely absurd.  $1,000,000+ just for a 50% chance of getting all of the masterpeices?

    I have to say I don't follow some of your math.  Why does it cost 1.5 M to buy 49k packs but 6.7M to buy 112k packs?  Buying 2.29x (112/49) as many packs costs 4.47x (6.7/1.5) as many crystals?

    Also not sure how you got to the crystal costs in the first place.  If you need 49,000 packs you could buy 49k/5 = 9.8k premium packs at 300 crystals a piece = 2,940,000 crystals.. right?

    Anyway, my base case is that my math sucks and that you did this correctly, I am just having a hard time reconciling what it would cost in USD because the numbers are confusing me. 

  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    babar3355 said:

    Why does it cost 1.5 M to buy 49k packs but 6.7M to buy 112k packs?  Buying 2.29x (112/49) as many packs costs 4.47x (6.7/1.5) as many crystals?  If you need 49,000 packs you could buy 49k/5 = 9.8k premium packs at 300 crystals a piece = 2,940,000 crystals.. right?

    That oddity is accounting for guaranteed rares in premium packs, which effectively halves the cost for rares relative to the other rarities.  It'd have made much more sense do that at the "Avg 5-packs needed" stage, which is where I've put it now.

    And the big error which snuck through unnoticed is in the avg 5-packs needed row - it's showing number of cards from 5-packs, rather than number of 5-packs, and needs to be divided by 5.  So the final costs are also divided by 5. (That's what I get for trying to rush my maths after midnight. :P)

    babar3355 said:

    Hey @Volrak, is this is correct that is absolutely absurd.  $1,000,000+ just for a 50% chance of getting all of the masterpeices?

    To reach a 50% chance, you'd pay the median cost (which is ~95% of the mean cost in this case, so close enough).  After correction, it's "only" $200k, which may still belong in the category of absurd.  But it's apparent (and IIRC the devs stated explicitly) that it's not intended for all players to be able to collect all cards.  For better or worse that's the chosen design.

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