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Some Planeswalker advice please.

TheDragonHermitTheDragonHermit Posts: 460 Mover and Shaker
edited September 2017 in MtGPQ General Discussion
So I have been saving up crystals for Nahiri, I currently have 925. I have one of each dual color combinations asside from red/white and black/green currently with most at level 50, and all the original gatewatch, at 48. Should I start going for some of the mono Walkers, and if so which would be good to go for? Or should I just save crystals for packs at this point?
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  • wereotterwereotter Posts: 1,817 Chairperson of the Boards
    Who you get will depend a lot on the cards you have and your preferred style, however some are straight up better than others.

    Jace, Unraveler of Secrets is a solid mono-blue
    Nissa, Vital Force can be superior to her Origins counterpart
    Liliana, the Last Hope is great for zombies
    Koth is definitely the strongest mono-red
    and Elspeth had been pretty popular in general and strong for mono-white

    As far as what to avoid, mono-blue Tezzeret isn't great unless you have the right cards and even then he's slow and can be tough to win with.

    Chandra, Torch of Defiance is too dependent on energized gems to work, and is another who requires you to have a lot of specific cards to play well, and these won't work once Kaladesh rotates from standard.

    Gideon Ally of Zendikar has good mana, but his connection to ally creatures makes him already largely obsolete as allies are a creature type specific to Zendikar. 
  • TheDragonHermitTheDragonHermit Posts: 460 Mover and Shaker
    So Lilliana over Ob for mono black?
  • wereotterwereotter Posts: 1,817 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ob Nixilis requires a different set up wants a different set up though he's pretty solid both in non-zombie builds as well as his standard "80% kill spells" build though that also needs you to get him to level 60 to becany good and will lose some power when Lost Legacy cycles out.

    However, since there aren't zombies, as far as we can tell, on Ixalan, he may offer a little more than Liliana once that set launches. That's a case where I would say your collection makes a difference, but it might be that he's more flexible than she is. 
  • OhboyOhboy Posts: 1,766Age Unconfirmed Chairperson of the Boards
    Ob beats all other mono black walkers hands down.

    His three skills all solve problems you'll encounter almost every game

    1) card advantage
    2) emergency creature removal 
    3) alternative win condition (unavoidable damage) 
  • TheDragonHermitTheDragonHermit Posts: 460 Mover and Shaker
    Well I have until he cycles out to decide I guess, and I should have enough for one mono and Nahiri by then.
  • wereotterwereotter Posts: 1,817 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    Ohboy said:
    Ob beats all other mono black walkers hands down.

    His three skills all solve problems you'll encounter almost every game

    1) card advantage
    2) emergency creature removal 
    3) alternative win condition (unavoidable damage) 
    You're probably right. I tend to go to Liliana, the Last Hope for her mana gains and she's more fun to play but as far as power and flexibility, Ob Nixilis is probably better. However, getting +5 on black matches instead of +3 and +4 on blue instead of +1, I think, makes up for the lacking +1 on red and can make other skills less important.

    But again it's all about what you're trying to do. Liliana will cast bigger spells easier than Nixilis can, and does have clutch mana gain with her first ability at the cost of a card in hand. 
  • SteemeSteeme Posts: 784Age Unconfirmed Critical Contributor
    Ob Nixlis' unique win condition makes him a priority.  Very handy for matches where you avoid playing/spawning creatures.  I don't use him in PvP though.
  • OhboyOhboy Posts: 1,766Age Unconfirmed Chairperson of the Boards
    Steeme said:
    Ob Nixlis' unique win condition makes him a priority.  Very handy for matches where you avoid playing/spawning creatures.  I don't use him in PvP though.

    The place he really shines is controlling hp. 
  • TheDragonHermitTheDragonHermit Posts: 460 Mover and Shaker
    So, think I should get Ob and Koth while they are in the vault? I am at 945 crystals and I am fairly certain I can get the 295 for Nahiri before she cycle out. 
  • julianusjulianus Posts: 188Age Unconfirmed Tile Toppler
    A bit late, but another strong vote for Ob Nix. He's strong, good for typical black event objectives, has a different ability set than other PW, and has very good synergy with Cycling, which will be around for quite a while.
  • TheDragonHermitTheDragonHermit Posts: 460 Mover and Shaker
    Pulled the trigger on Ob Nixilis, still wondering if I should go for Koth.
  • julianusjulianus Posts: 188Age Unconfirmed Tile Toppler
    edited September 2017

    I don't have Koth, but if you're planning to get Nahiri as well I don't know if you'll get much additional value from buying Koth, unless you're planning to use Nahiri on white nodes.

  • Mainloop25Mainloop25 Posts: 1,646 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    If you're already solid in the red department, koth won't bring much of anything new to your life. Edit: save up for Nahiri instead. You'll find her much more versatile than koth. 
  • TheDragonHermitTheDragonHermit Posts: 460 Mover and Shaker
    Thanks guys
  • IgemonIgemon Posts: 45 Just Dropped In
    edited September 2017
    wereotter said:


    Gideon Ally of Zendikar has good mana, but his connection to ally creatures makes him already largely obsolete as allies are a creature type specific to Zendikar. 
    G2 needs only one card actually, 'Anointed Procession'.
    This gives him 16/16 every time he uses his 2nd ability, and usually that's enough
  • morgue427morgue427 Posts: 671 Critical Contributor
    jace 2 is a solid blue mono with decent if limited mana gains, which have plenty of gem changers to help  work the board for you, his abilites are pretty block proof since supports atent going any where soon. the last ability with cycling also can be absolutely nuts granted limited on spells you can have but there are creature cycling cards and supports too
  • StormcrowStormcrow Posts: 162 Tile Toppler
    wereotter said:
    Tezzeret isn't great unless you have the right cards and even then he's slow and can be tough to win with.
    Admittedly, this is kind of a specific edge-case scenario, and more of a comment on the power of one specific card, rather than general-purpose advice, but: if you ever happen to find yourself in possession of Omniscience, Tezzeret 1 instantly goes from being one of the worst Planeswalkers to being hilariously strong and really fun to play.
  • wereotterwereotter Posts: 1,817 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    Stormcrow said:
    wereotter said:
    Tezzeret isn't great unless you have the right cards and even then he's slow and can be tough to win with.
    Admittedly, this is kind of a specific edge-case scenario, and more of a comment on the power of one specific card, rather than general-purpose advice, but: if you ever happen to find yourself in possession of Omniscience, Tezzeret 1 instantly goes from being one of the worst Planeswalkers to being hilariously strong and really fun to play.
    I meant more that he needs everything possible to slow down your opponent, so Claistrophobia, Jace's Sanctum, Oath of Jace, Sphinx's Tutelage etc. then topping that all off with Thopter Spy Network and Thopter Pie Network

    You can use him without all that, it's just harder.
  • BrigbyBrigby Posts: 5,913ADMINISTRATORS Site Admin
    Hi @TheDragonHermit ;
    I'm glad to hear that you've gotten some helpful advice from players on which Planeswalker you should get. 

    If you're looking for more information, you should also consider posting in the Deck Strategy & Planeswalker Discussion section!
  • TheZorchTheZorch Posts: 19Age Unconfirmed Just Dropped In
    Igemon said:
    wereotter said:


    Gideon Ally of Zendikar has good mana, but his connection to ally creatures makes him already largely obsolete as allies are a creature type specific to Zendikar. 
    G2 needs only one card actually, 'Anointed Procession'.
    This gives him 16/16 every time he uses his 2nd ability, and usually that's enough
    Yes, But AP is a mythic, so most players don't have it, and very few newer players will.
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