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lakantanz
lakantanz Posts: 38 Just Dropped In
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My roster:

https://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Lakanta/

I'm currently saving the ISO to champion Mordo but about 300 off, purely because I have a cover rotting for him and he's now 13/13.

Of my 3stars, I only have Electra not championed and the highest are starting to work through their 2nd free 4 star cover.

Bonus hero:
Whichever 3 star is due to give the next 4 star.
4 star I have as Kate Bishop atm but I'm not really sure if that's a good choice or not, the covers on whats left don't show a clear option?
5 star: Thanos, though that 5 green might make it a bad idea.

Any advice for where next?  Should I be saving covers or just keep popping them as I keep getting them?
Once Mordo is championed I don't have a clear next option - I don't think I'm in any hurry to work on Sandman - everything screams that he's aweful :).

Outside of that, the change to no more vaulting has definitely slowed down the championing of 4 stars but it's (somewhat) nice to be acquiring their covers again.
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  • CT1888
    CT1888 Posts: 1,201 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Personally I'd keep popping those covers until you have someone else to champ, then consider holding off while you champ them. (I normally just keep pulling regardless).
    Iron Fist is another good option for Bonus Hero, works well with your champed Cage.
  • lakantanz
    lakantanz Posts: 38 Just Dropped In
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    Iron Fist was a good suggestion, I hadn't considered him.

    I've updated my roster as I've had several pulls since then.  Surprisingly last two classic legends both resulted in 5 star covers, one iron man and one spider man.

    Mordo is about 150k away from championing, though several 2 stars getting close to being "recycled".
  • lakanta
    lakanta Posts: 12 Just Dropped In
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    Is it worth having a bonus hero being a 2/5/5 or akin with 2 out of 3 covers being dead weight?  I have 4 star iron fist, cloak and dagger and sandman all like this and all with covers dying.  And the promotion for buying a cover is not activating for any of them ...

    should I bonus them or just focus on another?
  • TPF Alexis
    TPF Alexis Posts: 3,826 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Don't set those characters as Bonus Heroes. You're far more likely to waste covers than to get what you need. It's best to either just slog it out until the cover you need comes up, or shell out the 120CP to just buy the cover.
  • abominatrix
    abominatrix Posts: 221 Tile Toppler
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    @TPF is spot-on on this. I believe that Fist is probably worth the 120 CP is you have covers dying, but that's just me. C&D might be as well, but I just champed them and don't have enough experience playing them to say at the moment.


  • lakantanz
    lakantanz Posts: 38 Just Dropped In
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    Roster has been updated.  I ended up drawing a Fist from CP draws rather than 120 and Cloak and Daggers from the last event.

    Dying as tokens atm are the current bonus 4star I have - Punisher.  I have got two green's both times so far.  Also one cover of Sandman which keeps trying to be given to me.

    Have gotten quite a few more 4 (and 5!) covers since last time.

    Is Punisher the right choice for the next 4 to "hope to get"?

    Still continuing to just use CP as I get it atm.

    https://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Lakanta/
  • Warbringa
    Warbringa Posts: 1,290 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Punisher is good, as is Iceman.  I personally like 4* StarLord myself but he is usually more useful for PvE than PvP.  If you have the reserve iso to champ 4* then use the CP.  If not, hold back on the CP until you get enough iso. 
  • lakantanz
    lakantanz Posts: 38 Just Dropped In
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    https://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Lakanta/

    (since last update championed Punisher, Antman, Sandman and Devil Dino)

    Have suddenly hit 13th cover for Iceman and Hulkbuster.   I have heard Iceman regularly said to be one of the best - if not THE best - 4 stars but suitable teams with him are definitely an unknown at the moment, even so likely to champion him first.

    I'm starting to struggle with 3 person teams that are suitable alternatives to Medusa - Gamora - R&G - not only are they fast for PVE but seem to be the go to for PVP.

    Seems a pity, whats a good third for Cage and Ironfist 4 stars and are there other good 4 star teams amidst the group I have championed?  (probably a CMarvel/Wasp/Medusa variant or something I bet).

    Lastly with the changes with a required 5 star node in PVE that's more often the latest 5 stars, I have been pondering if starting to buy latest legends is worth doing over classic until all 3 latest 5 stars are rostered.  Right now that's only Daredevil who I missed out twice in events so far ... and soon to be Gambit as well.
  • TPF Alexis
    TPF Alexis Posts: 3,826 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Iceman is definitely good. I think he'd probably actually make a good third for Cage and Danny, or for Carol and Coulson.

    Medusa/Wasp/Carol is certainly another strong team. I've been running them lately since Wasp is boosted right now. The biggest issue is that you have no outlet for all the green that Medusa tends to generate.

    In my experience, the key to dealing with Medusa/Gamora/R&G teams in PvP is a good stun. Iceman will help there. Having your own Medusa helps, too.

  • lakanta
    lakanta Posts: 12 Just Dropped In
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    https://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Lakanta/

    I am not sure I've ever been in this position before, but perhaps it's one I'm going to get more familiar with from here on.  I have 3 4 stars with 13 covers and a fourth about to be 13 from the current pvp event.

    I with have Cyclops, Kingpin, Hulkbuster and Kate Bishop all to level.

    I have no covers dying currently.

    I've currently got Nova as my favorite, though it's sorta a case of "I don't know what else", especially with a few 5/5/2's obstructing the favorite as an easy choice.

    I'm thinking the order to lvl the 4 is this:

    Cyclops --->  Kate Bishop --->  Hulkbuster .---> Kingpin

    Unsure though and haven't got enough ISO to level just yet anyway.

    Thoughts on the order, or just hold off for a better 4 star and my favourite choice atm?
  • TPF Alexis
    TPF Alexis Posts: 3,826 Chairperson of the Boards
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    The order looks about right to me, but I don't have a whole lot of experience with Kate or Kingpin, so that's largely from reading rankings.

    Looking through your roster, I think I'd put your bonus hero on Mockingbird. I think she's the best one who doesn't have 5 anywhere.

    Speaking of which, RNG has not been kind to you. You've got a lot of like 5/2/1 and such as well as all the 5/5/1-2 ones. I hope your luck turns around on those.
  • lakanta
    lakanta Posts: 12 Just Dropped In
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    https://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Lakanta/

    Roster is definitely coming along but I now have 7 2/5/5 characters which is rather frustrating.
    Of this lot, Vulture strikes me as a character I definitely want higher (particularly after the announcement recently).

    I have had about 4 or 5 black covers die for me on him.

    Has anyone got any opinion on trying to force the last colour with bonus heroes or just bide my time and hope my luck will turn around?
  • TPF Alexis
    TPF Alexis Posts: 3,826 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Using bonus heroes in that situation has only ever got me more covers dying on the vine. Wait for RNG to come around, just buy the cover outright with CP, or pick it up when it swings through Heroes for Hire if it's scheduled any time soon.
  • Pongie
    Pongie Posts: 1,410 Chairperson of the Boards
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    Or save enough to make the jump to 5*. With that many pulls, you will also be more likely to hit the elusive cover. Any duplicate covers will then be champion levels. You just need to also save a bunch of iso in order to level and champion them all.
  • Pongie
    Pongie Posts: 1,410 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited November 2017
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    edit: removed double post
  • lakanta
    lakanta Posts: 12 Just Dropped In
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    While I am starting to get hunted in PvP with championed 5's, particularly in the current Arena, I think I'd rather keep working on my 4 stars rather than jumping to championing 5's.

    I definitely do need to save some iso though, championing 4 star after 4 star has been completely destructive on my iso levels.

    It definitely feels like covers you receive are not completely random.  Today Carnage went from 5/1/1 as one of my worst vintage 4 stars to 5/2/2 with 2 pulls in a row being both Carnage.  There seems to be an algarithm which promotes filling in gaps needed (sometimes).

    I had forgotten about Heroes for Hire, I might keep an eye on it towards the end of Jean Grey's go as I currently have a black Vulture cover dying.
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
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    lakanta said:
    It definitely feels like covers you receive are not completely random.  Today Carnage went from 5/1/1 as one of my worst vintage 4 stars to 5/2/2 with 2 pulls in a row being both Carnage.  There seems to be an algarithm which promotes filling in gaps needed (sometimes).
    Nope, just random pulls being random. It's just only noticeable or noteworthy when something personally impactful
  • granne
    granne Posts: 852 Critical Contributor
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    Vulture works well with Cage and Fist, in answer to your earlier question. If he already has 5 in black then you could use him now. Get him airborne, punch everyone with Fist's green to generate more black, and repeat as needed. Cage provides backup, and has a better chance of a full-effect red with Vulture's blue clearing enemy specials.
  • TPF Alexis
    TPF Alexis Posts: 3,826 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited November 2017
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    lakanta said:
    It definitely feels like covers you receive are not completely random.  Today Carnage went from 5/1/1 as one of my worst vintage 4 stars to 5/2/2 with 2 pulls in a row being both Carnage.  There seems to be an algarithm which promotes filling in gaps needed (sometimes).
    I actually worked this out the other day. There are 91 possible combinations of 13 covers drawn from 3 colours. Of those, only 6 don't involve cover waste.

    It is random, but the "3 covers, 5 max in each, 13 max total" is set up so that the vast majority of outcomes are sub-optimal with reasonable randomness. It's like casino games. They don't have to use loaded dice or trick cards or roulette wheels or anything if the rules of the game are already tilted in the house's favour.

    EDIT: I'm pretty sure I messed up the math in the first part. Not quite sure what the right answer is, but, if anything, I under-counted the total number of possible options.
  • lakanta
    lakanta Posts: 12 Just Dropped In
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    Good lord, and I've suddenly gone to 5 level 4's to champion.

    Vulture, X-23, Wolverine, Kate Bishop and Drax.

    Outside of Vulture who is DEFINITELY next, I have no experience with any of the others, other than I have a wolverine cover on the vine (though also a vulture one, so not sure if I can get both championed in time...)

    The ISO required is starting to get a little rediculous ... >.<

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