Standard and it's future

andrewvanmarle
andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
in MtGPQ General Discussion
Standard is here to stay, but what will it's future be. What wil happen to the origins set and to masterpieces?

I'm hoping that we'll be able to look foward to Masterpieces staying standard Legal. In part because those cards are so hard to come by that it'd hurt players who invested in them a lot to cycle them out, but also because they are based on basic go-to cards in paper (like dark ritual etc). After hour of devastation we wont have them regularly any more (ixalan wont for instance).

Another thing im hoping for is that the base set (origins) wil be expanded with a choice few cards from each set. No not olivia, but good non game breaking cards like  Under the Floorboards.

And last i'm hoping that we may look forward to legacy coalition events along with standard events.
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  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ask me in a year when Cycling has rotated out.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Regarding "expanding" Origins, it would depend on whether or not they have the permission (and, of course, the inclination) to add non-set cards to existing sets. Since they're presumably bound by the Wizards license, they may not/probably can't just take cards and say "ok, now you're part of Origins", because those cards aren't part of Origins in paper. 
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    madwren said:
    Regarding "expanding" Origins, it would depend on whether or not they have the permission (and, of course, the inclination) to add non-set cards to existing sets. Since they're presumably bound by the Wizards license, they may not/probably can't just take cards and say "ok, now you're part of Origins", because those cards aren't part of Origins in paper. 
    There is, of course, nothing to stop them making a set called 'Masters of MTGPQ', filling it with cards they want in the Standard format, and making it Standard legal.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    shteev said:
    madwren said:
    Regarding "expanding" Origins, it would depend on whether or not they have the permission (and, of course, the inclination) to add non-set cards to existing sets. Since they're presumably bound by the Wizards license, they may not/probably can't just take cards and say "ok, now you're part of Origins", because those cards aren't part of Origins in paper. 
    There is, of course, nothing to stop them making a set called 'Masters of MTGPQ', filling it with cards they want in the Standard format, and making it Standard legal.

    We don't know that; they could be bound to utilize only existing sets and not create new subsets of cards using pre-existing/pre-assigned properties. I'm just going by precedent and inference here, of course, since we have no idea what it actually says. OR DO YOU?!?!? 




  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    madwren said:
    shteev said:
    madwren said:
    Regarding "expanding" Origins, it would depend on whether or not they have the permission (and, of course, the inclination) to add non-set cards to existing sets. Since they're presumably bound by the Wizards license, they may not/probably can't just take cards and say "ok, now you're part of Origins", because those cards aren't part of Origins in paper. 
    There is, of course, nothing to stop them making a set called 'Masters of MTGPQ', filling it with cards they want in the Standard format, and making it Standard legal.

    We don't know that; they could be bound to utilize only existing sets and not create new subsets of cards using pre-existing/pre-assigned properties. I'm just going by precedent and inference here, of course, since we have no idea what it actually says. OR DO YOU?!?!? 




    Now now now, play nice! :)

    Depending on the strictures of the licence , shteeve's idea would work nicely I think. An elegant solution, and also a place for the devs to sell new boosters to us hapless idio..eh...players

    The implementation of Standard at least is different from the paper way, so I'd say they's have some leeway to deviate.
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    Masterpiece cards are not standard legal in paper Magic and they may not be including them in future paper sets at all. The rarity is exacly why they are not standard legal. 
  • Corn_Noodles
    Corn_Noodles Posts: 477 Mover and Shaker
    edited June 2017
    ElfNeedsFood said:
    Masterpiece cards are not standard legal in paper Magic and they may not be including them in future paper sets at all. The rarity is exacly why they are not standard legal. 

    I thought they can be used in Standard sealed events if you opened one in your packs, but only for that event.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Dark ritual is one of the most reprinted cards ever. And the rarity would actually justify being permanently legal.... 

    Anyway, paper masterpieces are reprinted commons and uncommons. So they are a whole differwnt kettle of fish
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    andrewvanmarle said:
    Dark ritual is one of the most reprinted cards ever. And the rarity would actually justify being permanently legal.... 

    Anyway, paper masterpieces are reprinted commons and uncommons. So they are a whole differwnt kettle of fish
    Yeah. I agree paper is a different kettle of fish. This standard is totally different. They will always rotate out working cards for the same reasons though - they need to sell us new cards. 
  • Thuran
    Thuran Posts: 456 Mover and Shaker
    edited June 2017
    At least so far mtgpq has not played whack-a-mole with our cards like paper has been doing with the banhammer. 
  • Tilwin90
    Tilwin90 Posts: 662 Critical Contributor
    edited June 2017
    andrewvanmarle said:
    Dark ritual is one of the most reprinted cards ever. And the rarity would actually justify being permanently legal.... 

    Anyway, paper masterpieces are reprinted commons and uncommons. So they are a whole differwnt kettle of fish
    Dark Ritual is overpowered as tinykitty according to current power level! I would auto-include 4x of it into any black paper Standard deck, no exceptions!
    It's just as broken in MTGPQ as long as you have the expensive cards to combo it out with (card disadvantage is even less of a problem than in paper magic)
    I am an advocate against eternalization of Materpieces as they are not only really powerful, but they already give quite an edge advantage to players lucky enough to drop them.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Tilwin90 said:

    I am an advocate against eternalization of Materpieces as they are not only really powerful, but they already give quite an edge advantage to players lucky enough to drop them.
    What do you mean by the second part of the statement?


    I dont think masterpieces will be in such number in the game that will will affect the meta in a substantial way. And about advantage: it's'the whole point of the game to get an advantage by earning or buying better cards. equality is not part of the game's'concept.


  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    andrewvanmarle said:
    equality is not part of the game's'concept.


    Every time there are complaints about a " lack of fairness" in this game, I basically say this. Thanks
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    andrewvanmarle said:

    it's'the whole point of the game to get an advantage by earning or buying better cards. equality is not part of the game's'concept.
    Not really earning, so much. Not any more. The ability of players to earn cards has been substantially reduced since 1.9.2, as we all know. Buying hasn't been affected, tho, thank goodness.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    andrewvanmarle said:
    madwren said:
    shteev said:
    madwren said:
    Regarding "expanding" Origins, it would depend on whether or not they have the permission (and, of course, the inclination) to add non-set cards to existing sets. Since they're presumably bound by the Wizards license, they may not/probably can't just take cards and say "ok, now you're part of Origins", because those cards aren't part of Origins in paper. 
    There is, of course, nothing to stop them making a set called 'Masters of MTGPQ', filling it with cards they want in the Standard format, and making it Standard legal.

    We don't know that; they could be bound to utilize only existing sets and not create new subsets of cards using pre-existing/pre-assigned properties. I'm just going by precedent and inference here, of course, since we have no idea what it actually says. OR DO YOU?!?!? 




    Now now now, play nice! :)

    Depending on the strictures of the licence , shteeve's idea would work nicely I think. An elegant solution, and also a place for the devs to sell new boosters to us hapless idio..eh...players

    The implementation of Standard at least is different from the paper way, so I'd say they's have some leeway to deviate.

    Oh, sure, I agree with the fact they can choose which sets they want to make available to play in their game, and to be honest Steve's idea might be a potential workaround for that.  I was just pointing out that chances are they may not be able to add additional cards to named sets, like putting a Kaladesh card in Origins. 


  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Ive been thinking and in the opening post i didnt think of new players. To make standard a succes new players -need- a running start.

    I suggest the following: the 8 hour boosters ONLY give out standard legal cards (thanks for the idea @bken1234

    and i was thinking about a reward system thatslows down the further you get in the game to give new players incentive to master cards, get better and catch up to their peers.

    I was thinking this: every time you master a card in bronze you get a certain anmount of booster crafting tokens, allowing new players to acces  a few (lets say 3 over the course of levelling up to silver) choice mythics, the in silver you get 2 and in gold you get 1.

    Right now new players get stuck not accessing the cards that matter hampering their growth and chances to become a toxic elite ;-)

    thoughts?
  • Tilwin90
    Tilwin90 Posts: 662 Critical Contributor
    andrewvanmarle said:
    Ive been thinking and in the opening post i didnt think of new players. To make standard a succes new players -need- a running start.

    I suggest the following: the 8 hour boosters ONLY give out standard legal cards (thanks for the idea @bken1234

    and i was thinking about a reward system thatslows down the further you get in the game to give new players incentive to master cards, get better and catch up to their peers.

    I was thinking this: every time you master a card in bronze you get a certain anmount of booster crafting tokens, allowing new players to acces  a few (lets say 3 over the course of levelling up to silver) choice mythics, the in silver you get 2 and in gold you get 1.

    Right now new players get stuck not accessing the cards that matter hampering their growth and chances to become a toxic elite ;-)

    thoughts?
    I agree about the free boosters giving only Standard legal cards. Right now as a rather established player (with 1100+ cards) I find the free boosters pretty much useless but back in the day they were incredibly useful and I want other players to enjoy that. So... I'm all for this!
    I also noticed that the bigger the card pool, the slimmer the chance to get a relevant rare/mythic. At least this way you give new players a cool rare they can play with in Standard and get a nice start.
    So yes... nice idea!
  • Theros
    Theros Posts: 490 Mover and Shaker
    What is toxic elite?
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    MADAFAKA said:
    What is toxic elite?
    It's a reference to an old post. 

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