Maybe we judged standard too quickly?

Mburn7
Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
in MtGPQ General Discussion
I don't know about you all, but somehow I find myself enjoying standard play now that I've had time to build up a modest collection of new cards (still no mythics, but this isn't about drop rates).  There are some fun combos (even ones that don't have cycling, gasp!) and its nice to be deck building again.  I got a little lazy for a while there.

Maybe standard really isn't that bad?  I've noticed complaints about it have gone down too, so perhaps I'm not the only one feeling this way
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  • wickedwitch74
    wickedwitch74 Posts: 267 Mover and Shaker
    Personally, I like standard, and the challenge of building new decks.

    Cycling is a problem, but nobody really wants to dog it like we did with Baral because in the hands of the UI, it's useless and an automatic win.

    They should never have let New Perspectives out the door like that, and Drake Haven gets out of hand way to quickly.
  • arevala
    arevala Posts: 53 Match Maker
    Ive just posted that https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/65738/cycle-is-killing-the-game-boring#latest
  • speakupaskanswer
    speakupaskanswer Posts: 306 Mover and Shaker
    I completely agree but then again I was never against it in the first place.
  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    I was never against it either. Its interesting. And not like I can't play with legacy cards. I can go all out in TotP everyday.
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor

    We always liked standard.  In fact, we pretty much demanded it as a necessity.

  • hawkyh1
    hawkyh1 Posts: 780 Critical Contributor
    standard would have been better received if it had
    better synergy with decks slots. players should be
    more willing to try standard knowing that they do
    not need to dismantle their trusty old legacy deck
    to do so. this would have effect of adding standard
    to games rather than replacing.

    I see standard as being similar to something like
    the colour restrictions.

    HH
  • Dsagent
    Dsagent Posts: 73 Match Maker
    A majority of the board liked standard idk what op is talking about.
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    Yup, I was always in favor of standard. But I've been liking it more and more if you don't think about the stale events. New events and two versions of Trial of the Plains (legacy and standard) at 30 crystals would be perfection.
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    Dsagent said:
    A majority of the board liked standard idk what op is talking about.
    While its true I haven't been super active in the forums lately I remember when standard came out (not too long ago) and the forums were overwhelmingly negative.  Granted they're like this for every major update, usually before the update is even out, but I didn't see much support for it except from super high level players with every card anyway.

    @hawkyh1 they did introduce standard the same time as deck slots, so technically that isn't an issue, although because of the costs I just make a new event deck every event with standard cards so I don't have to dismantle the old ones
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    I like it -- I've liked it from the start -- and I'll keep liking it. 

    It got me out of a rut. 
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Its incomplete : no legacy events for coalitions, as of yet no masterpieces that stay legal
  • Thuran
    Thuran Posts: 456 Mover and Shaker
    Always liked standard and advocated for it's creation.

    More than anything, it has however highlighted just how bad and bland legacy is, welcome to seeing the same 3 cards spammed over and over...
  • morgue427
    morgue427 Posts: 783 Critical Contributor
    as opposed to seeing new perspective and drakes retreat in all the standard decks? Just because the ai bungles it doesnt mean that everyone isnt using the same cards  with the 3rd being what ever works best for that color is all.

  • Thuran
    Thuran Posts: 456 Mover and Shaker
    Frankly those decks are relatively rare to meet in platinum, sure it happens and then it gives a free win, but more often than not, they will be fairly varied. Heck, my last games featured stuff like prison hixus, gaeas challenge, and even met a few decks that tried to play outright burn or focus on tokens. While cycling is the absolute best strategy, and in some events the only one you can truly rely upon when facing certain objectives, it is not a very efficient strategy, or very fun to play with, which is why you see a lot of people trying to mix it up.

    Not so with spamming olivia and pig and mirrorpool. Also if they are blue they will almost guaranteed to be a ramp deck featuring turn to frog and trap in the moon. Considering how big the card pool is, legacy is incredibly monotone. 
  • morgue427
    morgue427 Posts: 783 Critical Contributor
    honestly all of mine in cycling have the 2 standards plus curator of mysteries(mythic)  rest cycling i can discard the non cycling cards and draw extra ones hopefully cycling to keep it going. got drakes up to 1000+ before i quit due to utter boredom and phone lagging down. yes crazy and  stupid over power with the right cards. i just commented because if people are  going to complain at least they should be doing the same things they are  whining about with the same few cards everybody uses. those cards are used because they work plain and simple.
  • hueyTW
    hueyTW Posts: 31 Just Dropped In
    Standard for PVP event is good.

    The problem is Standard PVE event + terrible drop rate + All MP/mythic boss deck

    If we don't have something like cast out or powerful cycle deck, the standard PVE event is still unplayable for most player.
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    hueyTW said:
    Standard for PVP event is good.

    The problem is Standard PVE event + terrible drop rate + All MP/mythic boss deck

    If we don't have something like cast out or powerful cycle deck, the standard PVE event is still unplayable for most player.
    I don't agree with that. There's great control options if you think outside of the box. In fact, Cast Out and cycling are useless against hexproof cards, but a good defender will take them right out. 

    I'm doing better in Standard PVE than I ever did in Legacy. 
  • Phillmoore
    Phillmoore Posts: 207 Tile Toppler
    So @bken. How are you beating the gods without a cast off or drake deck? 
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    I don't'like standard much. I miss my old decks where I'd'bui;d around something fun and still make it shine (madness vampires etc) And I really hate the way standard makes most of my collection worthless.

    Comparing paper to this, there are so many options to play legacy even in certain tournament settings while in PQ you are stuck with training grounds and non coalition, non competitive events.

    I'd'be happier about standard if there were legacy coalition events

  • morgue427
    morgue427 Posts: 783 Critical Contributor
    i was trying rai with heart of kiran and it worked sometimes but just to many embalmed creatures, i couldnt cast them fast enough to keep up not to play along to get along i use baan with cast off and hope i can get them out fast enough to save me. (usually i can) otherwise it is honestly a dull event

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