How do you think the new Nicol Bolas will be implemented?
Blorbleflorp
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He seems very powerful and has THREE colors, something never seen before in this game. Let's speculate!
I think they may have to skip or reposition his first ability. It's just far too powerful to put on a 6 or 9 point cost. I'd wager they may just put it on his ultimate ability and add the number of cards you get from activation. 1/2/3/4 cards from their library.
How are they going to justify having access to 3 (not including multi color cards) colors in a single deck? Maybe they make him cost 1300 crystals and he takes immensely more runes to level-up.
I think they may have to skip or reposition his first ability. It's just far too powerful to put on a 6 or 9 point cost. I'd wager they may just put it on his ultimate ability and add the number of cards you get from activation. 1/2/3/4 cards from their library.
How are they going to justify having access to 3 (not including multi color cards) colors in a single deck? Maybe they make him cost 1300 crystals and he takes immensely more runes to level-up.
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I'd hazard a guess and say he's only a PVE enemy, and is not implemented as a playable Planeswalker. The development effort to create a balanced, three-color walker probably makes it a non-starter.3
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Not sure we will get him. We didn't get 3 color Tamiyo from SOI for instance.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=414495
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gruntface said:Not sure we will get him. We didn't get 3 color Tamiyo from SOI for instance.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=414495However: if they do add him, I wouldn't be surprised if they put him in as just two colors, possibly red/black as we recently got a blue/black Tezzeret.0 -
Could have a limit on how many cards of each color can be used. First ability could move the first card in your opponent's deck to your hand. Second ability could stay the same and then last could board wipe your opponent.0
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Nicol bolas should be broken and powerful in all forms of MTG.
Giving players this would not be a good idea.
I am all for smother 3 color planeswalker though.0 -
He will be overpowered and expensive.
Hoping for 2 2 2 0 0 mana gains to keep SOME semblance of balance. He'll probably be 3 3 3 0 0 with obnoxiously high health and good abilities.
This three-color walker WILL be the flagship planeswalker of Hour of Devastation, just as he is in the paper game. Quote me, mark my words, whatever. He is coming. Prepare for 3 color madness boys
EDIT: as I said before we skipped Tamiyo because she wasn't that important with SOI block focused so strongly on the Gatewatch walkers and the inclusion of Liliana. Bolas is literally the god of the plane in Amonkhet. He is coming.0 -
Dsagent said:Nicol bolas should be broken and powerful in all forms of MTG.
Giving players this would not be a good idea.
I am all for smother 3 color planeswalker though.Given that in this format IF we get him, he'll just be the thing you start on the field with, he will have to be much weaker by design.Phase said:He will be overpowered and expensive.
Hoping for 2 2 2 0 0 mana gains to keep SOME semblance of balance. He'll probably be 3 3 3 0 0 with obnoxiously high health and good abilities.
This three-color walker WILL be the flagship planeswalker of Hour of Devastation, just as he is in the paper game. Quote me, mark my words, whatever. He is coming. Prepare for 3 color madness boys
EDIT: as I said before we skipped Tamiyo because she wasn't that important with SOI block focused so strongly on the Gatewatch walkers and the inclusion of Liliana. Bolas is literally the god of the plane in Amonkhet. He is coming.As far as your comments regarding mana.... I think Bolas needs something of the Koth treatment, though to a lesser extreme. I could see at level 60:
W: -1
U: 3
B: 4
R: 2
G: -1I could even see him at level 1 having -3 on white and green matches just to make up for the power level of having three colors and on color mana against in three other colors.0 -
gruntface said:Not sure we will get him. We didn't get 3 color Tamiyo from SOI for instance.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=414495
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I'm with those who said we probably won't be getting Bolas PW because we never get 3-color Tamiyo either. The level of flexibility that many colors offer would require the PW to be ground down to dust to be playable/balanced. (something like -2 white -2 green and +2 for the rest)
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I'm just basing this off of the fact we didn't get tamiyo in the soi block. I don't think we'll get a playable bolas. He'll definitely be an event boss, either way0
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I will play the contrarian. They will release a Bolas planeswalker for MTGPQ. Now is the time to do so because he is the the main bad guy across all the planes and has been so forever.0
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I'd like to see Nicol Bolas as a PvE like WickedWitch suggested.
I'd also like to beat my head against the wall vs a 3 colour Tamiyo as GruntFace noted. (maybe come Halloween?)
Given that we've faced 2 colour bosses with +5+5+5+5+5 it seems doable and interesting to face a 3 colour with +5+5+5+0+0.
A 2 on 1 vs Nicol might also might be cool depending on matchmaking.
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The only way out of getting tri-color Bolas is if he is a PvE walker only. I just don't see that happening knowing the price tag they could put on one.0
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A lot has changed since Tamiyo, with the advent of a standard format, I don't think that a tri-color Planeswalker would be broken.
We are still limited but 10 cards, and by his maximum creatures, spells and support slots. Being tri-color would allow some cool 3 cards combo, but I can't really see how he would be much stronger than dual-color ones.
He's also not a run-of-the-mill Planeswalker, but the oldest and strongest Planeswalker, it's ok if he's powerful, it's ok if he's the most powerful even. Many agreed that Kiora was the strongest, why not give her crown to Nicol Bolas, MTG's iconic super-villain?
What can he do that Saheeli, Sarkhan or Tezz 2 couldn't already?
What can he do in standard that would break the game is half?
And even if by miracle someone managed to break him, the sets with those cards would eventually rotate out.
They should revisit Tamiyo, also, I believe. People were scared about Deploy the Gatewatch + Gaea's Revenge, but you can do that now with Ajani 2, and he's not universally played.
So, Devs,please don't be scared, and give us Nicol Bolas.
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I think, because decks are restricted to only cards within a Planeswalker's colors, the issue would be tri-color walkers mooting other walkers by allowing such a wide array of card choice.
So there is this balance issue. There is an issue with opening up the possibility of additional card combo abuse. And there is the issue of how many runes it would take to level this monster up. It already takes a huge amount of runes to level up a dual-color Planeswalker. You'd have to take this one step further with Nicol.
I would be very surprised to see a playable version of Mr. Bolas. He's a major antagonist throughout the history of the game, and I suspect we will see him only as a PvE enemy.
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Nothing out of the ordinary would happen. Nothing any more broken than we currently have. It's funny people acting like the actual hour of devastation is gonna fall upon mtgpq if they release Nicol bolas.0
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If they control his mana it won't be that bad. If he comes out with something like 3 3 3 0 0 for mana we are all going to get sick of him quickly0
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Phase said:If they control his mana it won't be that bad. If he comes out with something like 3 3 3 0 0 for mana we are all going to get sick of him quickly
Hey.... 'member when people were freaking out over how high Tezzeret's mana gains were for a two color planeswalker?
Honestly, if they are going to give him three colors, give him bonuses on his colors, and not make his mana gains out of control, he'd have to have mana gains pretty much the same as Origins Liliana.0 -
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar has 2 2 2 0 0...
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shteev said:Gideon, Ally of Zendikar has 2 2 2 0 0...
Lately it seems the standard is 9 mana overall on mono colors and 6 on duel colored. Based on that, Bolas would potentially only have +1 on each of his colors, or -1/-2 on white and green to make up for gains elsewhere.0
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