Taking (theoretical) bets on how good the new dupe mechanic will be

Rogan_Josh
Rogan_Josh Posts: 140 Tile Toppler
in MtGPQ General Discussion
Okay so if you're like me you're happy to see the news about the new way dupe cards will be used. The release says a lot but only gives a few solid details so far. 

So who's donning the flag waving hat and excited for the solution to all our mythic problems? Who's donning the cynicism gloves and predicting all sorts of new problems we can moan about?

personally I doubt we'll have an honest "Heathstone" type deal going on but i'm really glad we're getting better access to the cards we want. I've got some healthy doubts about the length of time it will take to get those cards though. 
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  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ooh, here's a good one! They'll wait til we've all spent our duplicates on Origins cards because we think that they'll have more longevity than the other sets, and then they'll drop Origins out of Standard.
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    shteev said:
    Ooh, here's a good one! They'll wait til we've all spent our duplicates on Origins cards because we think that they'll have more longevity than the other sets, and then they'll drop Origins out of Standard.

    Every game has to change over time...  We'll either complain everything's gotten boring steamrollering everyone with my superpig deck or the new change killed my superpig deck!  We'll always groan and the game will always change and we'll adjust to seek the new shiny set...
  • UweTellkampf
    UweTellkampf Posts: 376 Mover and Shaker
    It will be utterly positively overwhelming in all these things:

    1) The conversion rate
    2) The possibility to aim for a specific card
    3) In a way how it will affect climate change
  • Gormhaus
    Gormhaus Posts: 190 Tile Toppler
    It will probably cost runes and crystals and unobtainium to activate the card converter.
  • Corn_Noodles
    Corn_Noodles Posts: 477 Mover and Shaker
    edited May 2017
    [wrong thread]
  • Sorin81
    Sorin81 Posts: 558 Critical Contributor
    I will (theoretically) bet all my unobtainium that this card crafting feature will be insanely over priced.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    I will theorize that getting specific cards from sets not longer in standard rotation will likely be easier than getting specific cards from sets currently in standard rotation.

    There's not much a reason to hold back letting people get their Undergrowth Champion, Drowner of Sorrow, Olivia, etc when those cards can only be used in non-ranked PvE encounters and Training Grounds. However, they still want people to purchase cards from the current blocks, and so I can see them possibly making the conversion system for standard cards just give more boosters, or something equally underwhelming.
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    wereotter said:
    I will theorize that getting specific cards from sets not longer in standard rotation will likely be easier than getting specific cards from sets currently in standard rotation.

    There's not much a reason to hold back letting people get their Undergrowth Champion, Drowner of Sorrow, Olivia, etc when those cards can only be used in non-ranked PvE encounters and Training Grounds. However, they still want people to purchase cards from the current blocks, and so I can see them possibly making the conversion system for standard cards just give more boosters, or something equally underwhelming.
    Honestly, as long as they keep their mention of "guaranteed new cards" it is perfectly reasonable to make standard conversions more expensive.  Just like how paper cards lose value when they rotate out, cards that cannot be used in main events should be cheaper (also, I really want an Olivia/Pig/Ally legends, so I'm hoping they're cheap)
  • Furks
    Furks Posts: 149 Tile Toppler
    "guaranteed new cards" doesn't mean "guarantee no duplicates" 
  • TheDragonHermit
    TheDragonHermit Posts: 465 Mover and Shaker
    At this point I am wondering if they have political writers making the announcements, or Obi Wan. "So when we said that we would reduce the duplicates you receive and then cut the boosters you get for your crystals we told you the truth, from a certain point of view." Why do I get the feeling we are gonna get Obi Wan-ed again.
  • Rogan_Josh
    Rogan_Josh Posts: 140 Tile Toppler
    So it looks like people are sharing my concerns as well. 

    I'm going to give the (theoretical) odds of 3:1 that the booster crafting will be overpriced and lengthy.

    Gormhaus said:
    It will probably cost runes and crystals and unobtainium to activate the card converter.
    oh lord, i didn't even think about that. That is a disasterously realistic prediction. 

    What's got my head itching is the fact that we'll be crafting boosters, not cards. So if we're crafting boosters of cards we don't own yet what are the drop rates going to be? As wonderful a dream as it sounds, i doubt they'll we'll be opening a three pack of cards we dont' own. 
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    The dupe system might not be too good to be true? Tell me it ain't so!
  • TheDragonHermit
    TheDragonHermit Posts: 465 Mover and Shaker
    Ohboy said:
    The dupe system might not be too good to be true? Tell me it ain't so!
    Nice defence of equivocation via tone policing, but that is not what we are saying. We are concerned that the use of ambiguous wording may hide the fact that, far from to good to be true, this dupe system may be, in and of itself, a dupe generator or otherwise prohibitively expensive, using in game currency, either new or previously released. With some of D3's statements seeming to intentionally use ambiguous language, I cannot ascribe intention on them only note that potentially misleading language has been used to apparently promise one thing and instead give another, or not reveal specific information that alters the meaning of the language used, I would say that concern over how this new system works is appropriate. This is something people have wanted for a while, and can possibly fix a major issue in the game, we want to see it done right because we enjoy this game, otherwise we wouldn't bother posting here, and just want this to not go over like the replacement of the previous packs did. Please do not reduce our concerns by arguing against a misrepresentation of our statements, leave the strawmen in your decks (though I think the few scarecrow cards are now out of standard).
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    No matter what the spin is, this is an improvement on the current system. You're literally concerned that they are not going to be giving you as much as you wanted in exchange for nothing. 

    You guys are just gathering the pitchforks early, that's all. Plans aren't fixed, and as usual can change up until the last moment. The tentative details aren't even out yet and you're pondering all the hypothetical scenarios where you can be angry about. Still want to talk about strawmen? 
  • TheDragonHermit
    TheDragonHermit Posts: 465 Mover and Shaker
    Yes, since all I talked about was issues in communication, a legitimate issue with this game, and how I would like less ambiguous language in the releases. As for this being better, maybe it will be, will it address the issues many players are having with the rate of duplicates or will it be a poor replacement for the runes that would otherwise be granted? I won't speculate but I will not ridicule those who are, considering how other improvements were handled. Since all they can do is speculate and express concern that is what they will do, if you have something to bring to the discussion, rather than inflammatory remarks escalating what is being said by others, I would be glad to hear it, so would others I would suspect, this is a thread about how these mechanics will work after all. So how do you think the new boosters will work, and how well will it be executed?
  • speakupaskanswer
    speakupaskanswer Posts: 306 Mover and Shaker
    I tend to agree with Ohboy. I'm skeptical too but they don't have to implement a system like this at all. Maybe it's expensive, maybe you don't get a new card every time (and you certainly won't be able to choose cards), maybe it won't exactly as we imagine it. But, yes, it can only be better, so why make it sound like it will be worse?
  • __Adam
    __Adam Posts: 111 Tile Toppler
    Ohboy said:
    No matter what the spin is, this is an improvement on the current system. You're literally concerned that they are not going to be giving you as much as you wanted in exchange for nothing. 

    You guys are just gathering the pitchforks early, that's all. Plans aren't fixed, and as usual can change up until the last moment. The tentative details aren't even out yet and you're pondering all the hypothetical scenarios where you can be angry about. Still want to talk about strawmen? 
    Given that the majority of changes in the last few months have been anti-consumer, it's not unreasonable to speculate that the trend will continue.  
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    Ohboy said:
    No matter what the spin is, this is an improvement on the current system.
    I think that's likely, but it's certainly not guaranteed.  I can imagine a system which converts dupes to "new" cards at a rate such that I would prefer I could have kept getting runes out of them instead.
  • Sorin81
    Sorin81 Posts: 558 Critical Contributor
    It may not be worse than what we have but the fact is that it will probably be worse than many people's expectations.
    I was always told to hope for the best but expect the worst. I think that pretty much sums up everyone's attitude about this, especially after the deck slot update.

  • Azerack
    Azerack Posts: 501 Critical Contributor
    I've had completely mixed feelings about this game from day 1 and I feel - okay, after the first month when I really started getting into it, to be fair - and I feel like this is another change that I could totally believe will be super amazing but then turn out to be "meh".
    SO... since I've been yet another voice of cynicism on these boards, I'm going to try and be neutral, this time and say, "Well, it's something new we didn't have, so it will definitely be something unlike we've had, before." ;)

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