Most pointless card : Aven Mindcensor.

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  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    wereotter said:
    Szamsziel said:
    If... 1) opp didn't fetch anything,  2) there is no bug with library (I've already had 5 copies of card without any fetch) then maybe the calculations are ok
    True.... now that cycling is a thing, I've been able to count more than 4 copies of certain cards coming up in rotation before even 1 of others show up. The 40-card deck seems to be a myth, and more likely it just does a 10% chance that any card you put into the list is the next to be drawn.
    But that.. That would make Aven totally useless!
    Yup
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    Okay, let's take up the tinfoil-hat:
    There is a library - oath of nissa lets you interact a bit with it, for example.

    I'm still interested in ideas about the card. Anyone?
    I've faced it today, decided to let it on the board the full game to see if I could experience any changes.
    Maybe cast out and Aven were switched in price and rarity?
  • Szamsziel
    Szamsziel Posts: 463 Mover and Shaker
    I've just spend precious time testing Aven. Sorin + lost legacy + Aven + destroy opp creatures.  ability of Aven triggered 53 times (according to the log). And opp still had cards in library to draw them. 
    Officialy confined - most pointless card:)
    (in paper mtg there is harmful offering which can be useful in legacy but in standard it had "pointless"  written all over it) 
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Szamsziel said:
    I've just spend precious time testing Aven. Sorin + lost legacy + Aven + destroy opp creatures.  ability of Aven triggered 53 times (according to the log). And opp still had cards in library to draw them. 
    Officialy confined - most pointless card:)
    (in paper mtg there is harmful offering which can be useful in legacy but in standard it had "pointless"  written all over it) 
    Harmless Offering + Demonic Pact ;) that was possible in standard.
  • Phase
    Phase Posts: 157 Tile Toppler
    The card needs a redesign. It feels bad to open and it feels bad to play. The effect is invisible and is exciting only to players looking to get some jank cards off a Gideon3 Ult. 
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Phase said:
    The card needs a redesign. It feels bad to open and it feels bad to play. The effect is invisible and is exciting only to players looking to get some jank cards off a Gideon3 Ult. 
    It doesn't even help that. Aven Mindcensor doesn't exile cards from your own library.
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor

    Play it as your only creature in a G3 deck against the Planar Bridge encounter.

  • hawkyh1
    hawkyh1 Posts: 780 Critical Contributor
    edited May 2017
    Steeme said:

    Play it as your only creature in a G3 deck against the Planar Bridge encounter.


    can't you just exile your creatures by dragging to
    the bin and then get them back via g3 3rd ability?
    (I don't see how a triple reinforced aven
    mindcensor gets you any closer to winning the
    battle)

    HH
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Haven't we already had this discussion? I distinctly remember saying somewhere that maybe Aven Mindcensor should do what it does in paper MTG, and limit the ability of fetching.

    Having thought about it, tho, it's clear why Aven Mindcensor doesn't do that, and does this useless exiling thing instead... it's because they didn't want to have to write any more code. They were too busy writing the code that made Animist's Awakening stop working. Or the code that made Alhammaret's Archive stop working.
  • Dologan
    Dologan Posts: 145 Tile Toppler
    When developers come up with nonsense like this card, it really makes you wonder if they have ever played their own damn game at all... It is actually rather surprising how the game can still manage to mostly work and be fun when the developers themselves show such shocking ignorance about their own game's mechanics.

    I would really, really love to know what led the devs, presumably @Hibernum_JC   , to think this was a meaningful, let alone adequate, adaptation of the card's ability. I don't doubt that they found some possibilities to be unworkable in their engine, but what exactly did they think exiling the following card in the opponent's library would achieve in favour of the player?
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    @dologan
    This is exactly the main question I try to answer to myself.
    It is either a misunderstanding on the devs side or it is part of a working strategie that just isn't implemented yet.
    Why that? We know there will be cards coming in the next weeks. The Aven is part of Gideon 3s expert deck, but some cards of it haven't been unrevealed yet. So I'll either understand what's the point of this card once the full deck is revealed, or I'll start some new annoying threads regarding how useless the theme decks are that weren't designed by players.. (if they didn't make them random to start a deck building contest again)
    @brigby
    Like already mentioned, the point here isn't to pick on the developers, but it would be nice if you give them a bit of feedback about this card, to avoid that they design similar cards.

  • stikxs
    stikxs Posts: 533 Critical Contributor
    This was my reward from the trial of zeal. Boy was I stoked...
  • arevala
    arevala Posts: 53 Match Maker
    LOL youve been trolled by D3. As I were when i got Rashmi Eternityes Crafter.
    So... **** WITH RARES or MYTHIC cards designers? did they ever play their disastrous creations in a single match to know they are completely useless??
  • Dologan
    Dologan Posts: 145 Tile Toppler
    arevala said:
    LOL youve been trolled by D3. As I were when i got Rashmi Eternityes Crafter.
    So... tinykitty WITH RARES or MYTHIC cards designers? did they ever play their disastrous creations in a single match to know they are completely useless??
    If you think Rashmi is useless, you're doing it wrong (or need better cards). She's far from disastrous and a pretty useful mythic in the right deck.

    Aven, however, has an ability that, under current mechanics, has ZERO benefit to the player. As it is, there are even white commons on the set that offer better value than this piece of rubbish.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    The exile from deck mechanic should exile the next spells, creature or  supports (depending on the flavour of the card) to give some control to the player
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    andrewvanmarle said:
    The exile from deck mechanic should exile the next spells, creature or  supports (depending on the flavour of the card) to give some control to the player
    The flavor of the physical card says that "If an opponent would search his or her library, that player searches the top four cards instead"

    So in this game, while it would be hard to code in properly, it would be more to the effect (since there are no basic land cards to consider) that if you would fetch a card, say with Dubious Challenge or Kiora's second ability, if there is no creature in your top three cards, you get nothing.

    That's why I am still on team shut down your opponent fetching cards entirely. Would be interesting to have an AI play Dubious Challenge with this on the field, and your opponent gets nothing, and you get a creature, or intentionally pairing the two in an Ajani 2 deck to tutor up a creature and deny your opponent one in return. Would acta

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