Fix dupe issue already

TheDragonHermit

They have different uses, the runes let you power up and are the easiest to obtain, the crystals are for everything else, the unobtanium is there to endlessly frustrate players and disappoint when used. As for IRL cash that is to line D3H's bottom line. Not. Another. Dime. 

nerdstrap

current level of frustration - every event reward so far has been aven mindcensor http://imgur.com/gallery/BI4JB

Ohboy

shteev said:

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/659805#Comment_659805

Brigby said:

The team is currently developing a system that addresses duplicates, in order to give them more value than just converting into runes. You can expect this to be implemented within the next couple of months. (Sorry I don't have more info. Still too early in development for me to receive any announceable information)

That was on the 29th of March. So, the new dupe system should be next week! Can't wait!!!

This is exactly why people hype over nothing and then complain that they don't get the stuff that was never promised. 

Phase

PersonMan said:

Can someone explain to me why this game uses four types of in game currancy?  (Runes, crystals, shards, and actual money).  It seems like they would need just one, which you could slowly earn by playing games or by quickly get by paying money.  That would make me a lot more likely to spend more actual money, instead of the current system, where you're usually just gambling without any idea of what you're actually getting.  

The current system by which the value of your actual money is purposefully obfuscated has been a viable and profitable for years. It is not always what people want to hear but games do this because IT WORKS. 

Hell why do you think Vegas uses chips? Sure there is security and other practical benefits to it but at the end of the day when you plop down that huge bet it is easier for a person to pass thousands of dollars worth of chips across the table than it is to pass a stack of actual money.

PersonMan

Phase said:

PersonMan said:

Can someone explain to me why this game uses four types of in game currancy?  (Runes, crystals, shards, and actual money).  It seems like they would need just one, which you could slowly earn by playing games or by quickly get by paying money.  That would make me a lot more likely to spend more actual money, instead of the current system, where you're usually just gambling without any idea of what you're actually getting.  

The current system by which the value of your actual money is purposefully obfuscated has been a viable and profitable for years. It is not always what people want to hear but games do this because IT WORKS. 

Hell why do you think Vegas uses chips? Sure there is security and other practical benefits to it but at the end of the day when you plop down that huge bet it is easier for a person to pass thousands of dollars worth of chips across the table than it is to pass a stack of actual money.

Well yeah, but that assumes that MTGPQ gets most of its money from players who buy once or twice not knowing what they're buying, get burned, stop buying, and then leave the game, and/or from cumpulsive gambers (who honestly have much better options out there, such as actual gambling).  

I assume a better business model would be to honest about what you're selling, sell a quality product, and then add new products every couple of months.  That way you'd have more repeat customers. (More like a drug dealer, rather than a casino?).  

And there is nothing stopping them from doing both.  Sell electronic cards (which are in essance nothing) for $20 a piece (for Mythics, cheaper for others) and also sell crystals for a pull at the slot machines.  Compulsive gamblers will always gamble when given a chance, addicts will keep buying with real money, and casual players will be more likey to convert to one or the other with more options.  

Sirchombli

I've been in dupe city since release, too. In fact, I feel like I'm seeing more multiples of cards in game, too. I feel like I've been getting 3 copies of 4 cards, followed by 3 copies of another 4 cards. I have 4 rares and 1mythic and I'm already getting dupes. I've only opened like 12 packs, and I have 6. Copies of the white cartouche. It doesn't feel good at all to crack so many dupes from a set I have less than a quarter of. I think most of us have been screaming for something productive to be done about this. A card crafting system would be nice. Singles in the vault would be nice. I'd be happy if I could get xtals instead of runes for dupes. I have very little use for runes. I don't have any sub 60 walkers, and have extra deck slots for all the walkers I care to have extra slots for. If I could get crystals for dupes, I'd be a lot happier opening packs. As is, packs sort of feel like a chore. Drop rates are super wonky and the rng really seems off. It feels like d3 doesn't particularly care about the player base. Things were slowly going downhill, but some positive changes had been implemented. Since the AKH update, I feel like the wheels are starting to fall off. I'm watching people leave left and right, and d3 looks to be burying their heads in the sand. I'm a bit worried at this point 

Azerack

I think I took a wrong turn at "Gideon Post Trials"ville and ended up in Dupe City....

I've been trying to be "good" about my not.another.dime but when I have enough crystals for a premier pack and in the first 5 cards I get a Caracal only to get the "guaranteed rare" be the exact same card, I think, "that sucks", but okay sure.. bad luck.

Now, after getting another 300 crystals earned I buy another and the exact same thing happens but with a different rare? (Mindful Avacyn)
Literally, the exact same thing. First pack of 5, i get the rare on the first card and then right after, I get the "guaranteed rare" and it's the EXACT SAME CARD again.

Just feels a little wrong and I'm getting more and more disenchanted with it even with how much I was enjoying the new Gideon.

I miss the big box and I miss feeling like there's a chance something good will be in any packs, now. Maybe I'll just play the TG for a while until something new happens....

Ohboy

PersonMan said:

Phase said:

PersonMan said:

Can someone explain to me why this game uses four types of in game currancy?  (Runes, crystals, shards, and actual money).  It seems like they would need just one, which you could slowly earn by playing games or by quickly get by paying money.  That would make me a lot more likely to spend more actual money, instead of the current system, where you're usually just gambling without any idea of what you're actually getting.  

The current system by which the value of your actual money is purposefully obfuscated has been a viable and profitable for years. It is not always what people want to hear but games do this because IT WORKS. 

Hell why do you think Vegas uses chips? Sure there is security and other practical benefits to it but at the end of the day when you plop down that huge bet it is easier for a person to pass thousands of dollars worth of chips across the table than it is to pass a stack of actual money.

Well yeah, but that assumes that MTGPQ gets most of its money from players who buy once or twice not knowing what they're buying, get burned, stop buying, and then leave the game, and/or from cumpulsive gambers (who honestly have much better options out there, such as actual gambling).  

I assume a better business model would be to honest about what you're selling, sell a quality product, and then add new products every couple of months.  That way you'd have more repeat customers. (More like a drug dealer, rather than a casino?).  

And there is nothing stopping them from doing both.  Sell electronic cards (which are in essance nothing) for $20 a piece (for Mythics, cheaper for others) and also sell crystals for a pull at the slot machines.  Compulsive gamblers will always gamble when given a chance, addicts will keep buying with real money, and casual players will be more likey to convert to one or the other with more options.  

There's really no need to assume anything about the viability of different business models. Apps have been out for a decade, and the dominant strategy is not a trade secret. Tons of literature are available a short Google search away. I've posted a couple before when this comes up. 

But like phase says, a lot of people don't like reality when it doesn't sync with what sounds good to them. 

I'm a broken record on this issue. Mtgpq is a very generous game for it's category. Be careful what you wish for, because you do not want to end up with a crafting gacha. Do you want your level 1 Olivia to lose to a level 5 Olivia? Because that's the dominant strategy for selling app games. 

Eglyntine

nerdstrap said:

current level of frustration - every event reward so far has been aven mindcensor http://imgur.com/gallery/BI4JB

*ROFL* "This is why you don't bring a gun to a water fight! " I almost lost my morning coffee over that video. Thank for that.

Hesturk

nerdstrap said:

current level of frustration - every event reward so far has been aven mindcensor http://imgur.com/gallery/BI4JB

For me every event reward so far has been Approach of the second sun, which I already had. They need to stop ignoring there's a problem, because there is on and it's huge.

wereotter

Hesturk said:

nerdstrap said:

current level of frustration - every event reward so far has been aven mindcensor http://imgur.com/gallery/BI4JB

For me every event reward so far has been Approach of the second sun, which I already had. They need to stop ignoring there's a problem, because there is on and it's huge.

It seems we all have that "one card"

I currently have 6 copies of Channeler Initiate. 

andrewvanmarle

Getting a menagery vizier TWICE in the same is borderi g on the insane..... 

shteev

Ohboy said:

shteev said:

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/659805#Comment_659805

Brigby said:

The team is currently developing a system that addresses duplicates, in order to give them more value than just converting into runes. You can expect this to be implemented within the next couple of months. (Sorry I don't have more info. Still too early in development for me to receive any announceable information)

That was on the 29th of March. So, the new dupe system should be next week! Can't wait!!!

This is exactly why people hype over nothing and then complain that they don't get the stuff that was never promised. 

Actually this is why so many of us think you're a troll. Brigby told us to expect something to be implemented, I expected that thing to be implemented, and you're trying to paint my expectant behaviour as unreasonable.

Even now, I can hear you in my head, gearing up to spin this some other way. "No, that's not what happened shteev!" "That's not what I was taking about!". But, it is. And it was.

speakupaskanswer

shteev said:

Ohboy said:

shteev said:

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/659805#Comment_659805

Brigby said:

The team is currently developing a system that addresses duplicates, in order to give them more value than just converting into runes. You can expect this to be implemented within the next couple of months. (Sorry I don't have more info. Still too early in development for me to receive any announceable information)

That was on the 29th of March. So, the new dupe system should be next week! Can't wait!!!

This is exactly why people hype over nothing and then complain that they don't get the stuff that was never promised. 

Actually this is why so many of us think you're a troll. Brigby told us to expect something to be implemented, I expected that thing to be implemented, and you're trying to paint my expectant behaviour as unreasonable.

Even now, I can hear you in my head, gearing up to spin this some other way. "No, that's not what happened shteev!" "That's not what I was taking about!". But, it is. And it was.

Is it so hard not to make this personal again?

shteev

speakupaskanswer said:

shteev said:

Ohboy said:

shteev said:

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/659805#Comment_659805

Brigby said:

The team is currently developing a system that addresses duplicates, in order to give them more value than just converting into runes. You can expect this to be implemented within the next couple of months. (Sorry I don't have more info. Still too early in development for me to receive any announceable information)

That was on the 29th of March. So, the new dupe system should be next week! Can't wait!!!

This is exactly why people hype over nothing and then complain that they don't get the stuff that was never promised. 

Actually this is why so many of us think you're a troll. Brigby told us to expect something to be implemented, I expected that thing to be implemented, and you're trying to paint my expectant behaviour as unreasonable.

Even now, I can hear you in my head, gearing up to spin this some other way. "No, that's not what happened shteev!" "That's not what I was taking about!". But, it is. And it was.

Is it so hard not to make this personal again?

I know you find this dreadfully tiresome, but out of the two of us, I'm not the one who is sneering at other forum users for holding D3 to account for their past statements.

Ohboy

shteev said:

Ohboy said:

shteev said:

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/659805#Comment_659805

Brigby said:

The team is currently developing a system that addresses duplicates, in order to give them more value than just converting into runes. You can expect this to be implemented within the next couple of months. (Sorry I don't have more info. Still too early in development for me to receive any announceable information)

That was on the 29th of March. So, the new dupe system should be next week! Can't wait!!!

This is exactly why people hype over nothing and then complain that they don't get the stuff that was never promised. 

Actually this is why so many of us think you're a troll. Brigby told us to expect something to be implemented, I expected that thing to be implemented, and you're trying to paint my expectant behaviour as unreasonable.

Even now, I can hear you in my head, gearing up to spin this some other way. "No, that's not what happened shteev!" "That's not what I was taking about!". But, it is. And it was.

I'm the troll? 

You're an influential person on the forums and misinterpreted information from the very quote you posted. People listen to you when you spread such misinformation. 

In this case, brigby said within next couple of months. You declare it should be available next week. And that's how you get people riled up about stuff that was never promised. I was not aware that the word "couple"  was defined by shteev. 

You literally quoted a statement that did not match with your conclusion, and have the audacity to pretend like I shouldn't call you out on it. 

Yes that's exactly how it happened. I didn't even have to provide the quote to prove it. 

majincob

A couple months after the end of May would be the end of March, which was about a week after shteev posted that. They missed their original target, but did put out info regarding the new dupe system in that time frame.

Volrak

shteev said:

That was on the 29th of March. So, the new dupe system should be next week! Can't wait!!!

I think most people took this not seriously, but as a facetious dig at D3.  It's not without justification, assuming we've had no updates on ETA since then, though of course (like all digs) one is never obliged to take such opportunities when they arise.

Ohboy said:

This is exactly why people hype over nothing and then complain that they don't get the stuff that was never promised.

This is a reasonable observation, as far as it goes... that the portion of players who take facetiously hyped statements seriously are only going to be let down.  But at least in this case, that portion may be quite small.

shteev said:

(Something about trolls)

Ohboy said:

(Something else about trolls)

Oops... we've switched to a well-trod topic which addresses nothing pertinent to mtgpq, and makes the forums more unpleasant for everyone.  Like speakupaskanswer said... can we not?

Ohboy

Well the last time I let some stupid statement go assuming the portion of people who believed it in the face of evidence would be negligible... Everyone was surprised by the price of entry for trial of planes despite the price being confirmed by brigby long ago. 

So I have to disagree with you there Volrak... Lots of people believe these things. Especially when as you can see another prominent member of the community has doubled down on shteev's statement, rendering your optimistic idea that most people will not take it seriously moot. 

Just in case this is seriously a contentious point, the word "couple"  is not defined as 2. 

Whammaster

Can we NOT bring technical grammar into question. If you all feel the need to nit pick the **** out of each other's letters in a sentence do it in pm's