Masterpieces in standard?

Yvendros

Do you think Masterpieces should always be standard legal?  (that they shouldn't rotate out when their respective set does)

Yvendros

Yes

They're super difficult to get ahold of in the first place, it'd be pretty lame to see them go when standard rotates.  If they rotate out, I don't think I'll ever even attempt a roll.

Corn_Noodles

No

Masterpieces are not legal in paper Standard, why should they be legal here?

Laeuftbeidir

Yes

I think this would add a lot of value to them,  justifying their masterpiece status.
BTW, I don't own any, so I don't have any advantage by this.

madwren

No

Corn Noodles said:

Masterpieces are not legal in paper Standard, why should they be legal here?

That's what I'm leaning towards as well.

ElfNeedsFood

No

Maybe Origins needs some of its own Masterpieces?

Mburn7

I don't think I care

It would be a terrible idea to rotate them out, simply because of how the community works.  Simply announcing a nerf on a broken card leads to a flood of refund requests, I can't imagine what someone who spent $100 to get a masterpiece would do if it was no longer usable.  Since I don't have any, probably won't ever get many, and don't play against a ton of them (somehow) I really don't care, though

Yvendros

Yes

ElfNeedsFood said:

Maybe Origins needs some of its own Masterpieces?

I don't think that could happen.  Wizards chooses the masterpieces.  I'm not sure D3/hib would find cards to use.

Szamsziel

No

Masterpieces are too powerful and they are rather bought than luckily get. As game is not yet entirely pay 2 win - I'd rather stay as is. ( remember that we are already loosing a lot of counters due to rotation) 

Phase

Yes

oh snap I voted wrong hahahaha

^ masterpieces should only be "legal" in the format they are legal in. That is, while Amonkhet is in the rotation, so are Invocations. They have the Amonkhet set symbol for good reason.

shteev

No

They aren't legal in paper. They are clearly not intended to be on a power level with Standard cards in paper, either. And JC seems to have adopted that philosophy when converting the cards, too, a lot of them are so powerful that they clearly go against this stated goal of dialing back the power level of newer cards and not having them compete with older, broken cards.

MTG is always concerned about a problem known as Power Creep. Is this something that you worry about in MTGPQ?

Power creep is always a problem in any sort of card game, and MTGPQ isn’t an exception. We have printed some very powerful cards, and until now every new set was constantly compared to the older cards in terms of power. Starting with Kaladesh I’ve been a lot more conscious about power creep because we were starting to have a problem on our hands, and it was necessary to slow it down as much as possible.

In a lot of mobile games, power creep is a built-in mechanic which is necessary for the long-term evolution of the game. But we’re addressing it in a different way. Starting with the Amonkhet release and version 2.1.0, all our current competitive events are restricted to the current block, the previous block and Origins. This means that for Amonkhet events, you can only build decks with Origins, Kaladesh, Aether Revolt and Amonkhet cards. This lets us avoid the pitfalls of power creep while giving players who jump into the game later a chance at being competitive and also makes balancing simpler. (I don’t have to balance every new card against Deploy the Gatewatch, Olivia, Decimator of the Provinces, etc.)

I wonder what his excuse was for setting the power level of Deploy the Gatewatch, Olivia, and Decimator of the Provinces so high? Thopter Spy Network, perhaps?

toastie

No

That would defeat half the point of standard. You need to rotate out the most powerful cards to keep power creep at bay, not restrict design space to have to be concerned with broken combos, and give newer payers a chance to get to the top. Keeping masterpieces in would break all of this.

Lightcell

No

Should be like they are for paper Magic

ElfNeedsFood

No

Yvendros said:

ElfNeedsFood said:

Maybe Origins needs some of its own Masterpieces?

I don't think that could happen.  Wizards chooses the masterpieces.  I'm not sure D3/hib would find cards to use.

Perhaps...  We've seen D3 play with rarity quite a bit on their own though...  And technically I think all masterpieces are not legal in standard unless the original is still legal in paper magic, so even though it's in-pack, it's not legal, so D3 is already bending the "standard" rules...

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/masterpiece-series-kaladesh-inventions-cards-and-info
 

DuskPaladin

No

How would we be fighting Power Creep if everyone gets to keep their swords or stuff like Dark Ritual? Why introduce "Standard" at all?

shteev

No

Wait... I thought we were voting to just not allow Masterpieces in Standard at all? But we're just talking about whether they should rotate out as normal??

No, Standard, Descent upon the Sinful is too powerful for you, have Fumigate! btw wrath of god lol.