Other than BH, how do you grow an old championed 4*?

mpqr7

I have set only Rhulk to my only 4* BH. I have decided that he is the best 4* for both offense and defense, and I'd like to push him up to lv 320 or higher (I currently have him at lv 295).

However I'm not seeing him grow quickly. Despite opening up around 2 to 3 LTs per day, as well as numerous event tokens, heroics and standards etc, I'm just not seeing him grow at more than maybe 2 covers per month, if even.

What other options are there to grow him (or any other of your favorite non-latest 4*s?) Every options seems very slow, including:

* Grow a 3* that gives Rhulk as champion rewards
* Cycle through PVE and PVP to get him from progression rewards (possible) or placement rewards (impossible for me, since I'm not a top 10 or better player)
* Spend lots of HP to try to win him from a vault (expensive and not guaranteed)
* Spend 3600 HP to buy one cover of his (too expensive)


Again, I'm using Rhulk as my example, but this could apply to any non-latest 4*. I'd love to favorite a few 4*s, but since Rhulk alone is growing so slowly, if I favorited more than one, they would each grow even more slowly.

pheregas

This is one of the many problems with vaulting.  The methods you've listed are pretty accurate. 

You can earn him as progression in PVE/PVP.
And you can use your 2*Thor/3*Thor farm to get covers for him.
Or you can pay for it.

Any way you do it will be very, very slow.

Hendross

So, if you will get approx. 4% 4* bonus heros from LT.

You want 25 levels, That's 625 pulls or 250 days.  Another 8 months or so and you'll be golden.  They'll probably be 1 or 2 in progress along the way so lets go with 220 days or 7 months to mid-champ 1 of 40 4stars.

Maybe Bonus Heros isn't an adequate solution for vaulting.

To answer your original question, I see no other way to expedite this process besides lucky vaults, vintage tokens, buying packs for either, or the occasional (over-priced) hero for hire.

deadtaco

Placement awards are a joke and the devs are aware.  

Progression in PVE and in the season PVP sim are doable for many people in the 4* transition.  But that is it as far as earning an older 4*.

Heroes for hire store is a viable means - I bought one this way despite the obscene expense.  I realize I am not helping by doing this but I am tired of deleting covers I can't use because I cant get that last cover in the one color I can use.   When the star lord comes around again I will probably buy his last one.  I have all the characters rostered (save 4* R&G) and am getting more HP than I am spending.  But I only see it as a means to buy that last cover only.  Just to get you safely past that 5/5/2 trap.

Tony_Foot

Just give up, the newer ones are intentionally blowing the old away bit by bit. I even prefer the new ones people seem to dislike like Iron fist to IMHB. Punches hard, doesn't self damage, self feeds like IMHB and also fortifies. All those old ones I used to have as BH that I thought I'd like to finish such as Iceman, Punisher, X23 I've given up on. One day in the next 5 years they will have enough covers from event progression but the focus now has to be on the new.

If I needed one cover for a Rhulk or Peggy, I might have BH them, other than that I'd just wait that out for a progression reward.

bbigler

I have an alternative suggestion: change your expectations and don't try to champ an older 4* that high.  I've accepted that the new vaulting system practically prevents you from max champing any 4*, so the only real way to grow in power is to develop 5*s.  That's my plan. 

If I keep playing, this is how I see my roster 1 year from now:

3*s - Most Max Champed at 266
4*s - Most between 280 and 300
5*s - 7 Champs around 452

JackTenrec

The numbers really suggest that the only effective way to use BH is to focus on one character at a time, but even with that, I can barely imagine getting my partially-covered characters to 13 covers, let alone getting them to 320.

mpqr7

bbigler said:

I have an alternative suggestion: change your expectations and don't try to champ an older 4* that high.  I've accepted that the new vaulting system practically prevents you from max champing any 4*, so the only real way to grow in power is to develop 5*s.  That's my plan. 

If I keep playing, this is how I see my roster 1 year from now:

3*s - Most Max Champed at 266
4*s - Most between 280 and 300
5*s - 7 Champs around 452

I am actually mostly focusing (hoping?) on increasing my 5*s. I have completely lucked into lv 451 Phx and Cap, with a lv 435 OML at 5/2/5. So I've set my 5* BH to Phx and Cap, since I know those will be viable champion levels and won't go to waste. Eventually I'll add 5* BH for my other 5*s that don't have any covers at 5 levels yet (such as BSS, GG, Thanos etc).

And I'm generally getting each new 4* up to around lv 280+. But I'm a bit sad to see all of my older 4*s (even any one set as a BH) stagnate at the same champion level for months or years at this point, barely going up at all, unless they happen to be a PVE progession reward or champion reward for a 3*.

I like vaulting for the most part, but I miss having the ability to grow any of the older 4*s. And the vintage tokens are not the solution. They are too expensive and too rarely given to make a difference.. they pretty much only just give me 2* covers (like most non-standard tokens).

Fightmastermpq

You ought to be earning more than 2 covers/month.  So even you are grossly understating the number of BH you have gotten, or you are just at the very bottom end of the RNG curve.

If you set your 3* BH as a feeder (especially one that is not vaulted, and has a 2* feeder) it should help at least a little.

With that many LTs I have to assume you are earning heroics and other tokens at a pretty good clip as well - this should be generating more 4* BH too.

And lastly if you have all 12 newest 4s champed every 10 LTs gets you a bonus, not to mention CP rewards.

So you should be getting more than 2/month, but I (and it would seem the devs as well) agree that the rate is still too low.  It's still faster than the older system (if you've only gotten 4 since BH started, you would be at 1 under the previous system) but it does't allow for players to make meaningful targeted progression.

mpqr7

@Fightmastermpq I would love to tell you that I am incorrect. But I really am rarely ever pulling 4* BHs, no matter how many tokens I open.

I pull a decent amount of 3* BHs (probably 5 or more per week).

I'm happy with my 5* BH pull rate (probably around 1 every one or two months... it allowed me to bring my Cap up to lv 451).

But my 4* rate truly appears to be non-existent, especially over the last few months.

hodayathink

What's lost in all this is how fast would you have gotten those Red Hulk covers under the old system? The new one might take you a year or so, but with the old system it still would have been at least 6-8 months for you to earn 30 Red Hulk covers.

Fightmastermpq

hodayathink said:

What's lost in all this is how fast would you have gotten those Red Hulk covers under the old system? The new one might take you a year or so, but with the old system it still would have been at least 6-8 months for you to earn 30 Red Hulk covers.

The new system is a little more than twice as fast for ONE character, slightly faster for the second, but by the time you get a second character to 320 under the old system you would gotten those same 25 covers applied to virtually ALL of your older 4*s.  This is the tradeoff for getting all the new 4*s leveled up and generating champ levels much sooner.